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Reply #30 - Dec 5^th, 2006 at 3:49am

DocM wrote on Dec 4^th, 2006 at 12:55pm:

A bit harsh, recoverer, but I agree with the general gist.

Nicholsk:

If a hellish vision greeted you as a child in a near-death experience, this was your own vision and meeting. Many have had NDEs and found heaven, and come back with the love of God instilled into them (they also seem to lose the fear of dying, knowing there is a heaven).

I urge you to consider that your own vision may have had to do with where your thought was at the time, or that it was due to other variables.

Don is one of the most informed erudite christian scholars on this site. His remarks about early christian writing, choice of the terms "beast," and the mark make a lot of sense historically.

Open your mind and heart to love. Otherwise, a hellish belief system will not bring much love in this earthly life. We find here that belief systems without an open mind seem to "trap" people both while incarnate on earth and after death.

Peace to you,

Matthew

I tried to explain in my article that afterlife is free from any kinds of underpasses! Thus those people rather had halucinations than real visit into afterlife!

Be bless!

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Reply #31 - Dec 5^th, 2006 at 6:54am

Hi God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten son to save our sins,

Satan does not stand a chance against God,he loves us.

He will destroy Satan and his fallen angels.

I beleive in the bible and no one can say on here that the bible is fabrication or un true,because they were not around when it was written many years ago,they can only have an opinion on it,same as i have an opinion on the bible and my personal opinion is that i beleive in it.

Love and God bless Love Juditha

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augoeideian Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 958 South Africa Gender:	Re: Truth about 666, the beast and the seal of bea Reply #32 - Dec 5^th, 2006 at 8:30am I also believe in the Bible Juditha. I believe God sent His Son Jesus Christ to look after us.
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Reply #33 - Dec 5^th, 2006 at 8:34am

NickolsK,

To say that all positive afterlife experiences are hallucinations and that we all meet Satan immediately after death goes against all the evidence ever gathered over centuries. No offense intended, but your vision was yours - it is wrong for you to spin your own experience to the rest of humanity.

Many have had near death experiences, met loved ones and brought about some sort of compelling evidence to support this.

You are free to believe what you wish, however. That is the great thing about being alive.

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Reply #34 - Dec 5^th, 2006 at 5:56pm

I dont believe when you die the first thing you see is old satan ,maybe some people do because they worshipped him while on the earth plain ,i have read many ndes and not one has reported seeing old nick quite the opposite actually ,evil does exist in the hearts of some people who are really wicked and bad ,i love god , god truly exists he has answered many of my prayers he did send his only begotten son jesus to save us all our sins so that we may go to heaven and be with him forever in paradise ,satan was a fallen angel i back my sister juditha one hundred percent on this in fact satan ,lucifer as god called him was actually gods favourite angel until lucifer became jealous of god and started turning some of the other angels against him so god found out and turned lucifers followers into demons and lucifer into the devil and threw them down on the earth plain and thats how evil got created on the earth and caused mayhem and destruction and it still exists today very much so but soon god will desroy all evil and their will be peace forever more ,their will be a new earth a paradise wher their is only love ,it will come to pass if you believe in our lord love deanna

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Reply #35 - Dec 5^th, 2006 at 8:18pm

Apparently this thread hasn't accomplished much, so how about we get together 30 years from now and reconsider according to whether or not the rapture has happened? Wink

If it has happened those who believe in the existence of that creepy dude who sometimes looks like a red skinned man with horns, sometimes looks like a serpent, sometimes looks like a multi-headed dragon, and sometimes looks like Linda Blair with a bad makeup job, are declared winners (not really, lots of losers in this scenario).

If it hasn't happened those who consider it/him/whatever to be a the subject of a really ugly fairy tail are declared winners (Actually, just about everybody will be winner if Mr. Attitude problem doesn't exist, even those who got confused for a while and walked down a dark path).

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Reply #36 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 3:26am

recoverer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2006 at 12:35pm:

Thank you Don/Berserk,
Instead of spreading irrational baseless fear, you should think of sharing Jesus' message of love. Allow yourself to be inspired by divine love, rather than be imprisoned with fear.

My article breaks illusions about total love! I had the prophecy: God-Father hates us but does that not very heavily! When God-Father behaves Himnself as God then He is love and He is truth! But God-Father behaves Himself as God only with those who got know He as God! Of course, there are people who received the prophecy that they became beloved by God-Father! But not every from us was beloved by God-Father!
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If a hellish vision greeted you as a child in a near-death experience, this was your own vision and meeting. Many have had NDEs and found heaven, and come back with the love of God instilled into them (they also seem to lose the fear of dying, knowing there is a heaven).

Did you read NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE section of my article? I explained there what is tunnel lights!
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I urge you to consider that your own vision may have had to do with where your thought was at the time, or that it was due to other variables.

I had the prophecy that beast is stress test for all but not for me only!
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Don is one of the most informed erudite christian scholars on this site. His remarks about early christian writing, choice of the terms "beast," and the mark make a lot of sense historically.

Did you read BIBLE'S INACCURACIES section of my article?
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To say that all positive afterlife experiences are hallucinations and that we all meet Satan immediately after death goes against all the evidence ever gathered over centuries. No offense intended, but your vision was yours - it is wrong for you to spin your own experience to the rest of humanity.

I would glad to believe that had hallucinations 20 years ago! But the mark of beast can't be wiped out from my face!
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Many have had near death experiences, met loved ones and brought about some sort of compelling evidence to support this.

I never had NEAR death experience! I had REAL death.

I would recommend to every who has doubts to pray as it was decribed in PRAYER section of my article!

Be bless!

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augoeideian Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 958 South Africa Gender:	Re: Truth about 666, the beast and the seal of bea Reply #37 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 3:41am Nickols_k I think you are being very sincere, I hear what you are saying. Thank you for sharing this information. May the Angels of Love be with you. Caryn
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Reply #38 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 1:49pm

Hi Ra Jesus went into the desert wilderness for forty days and forty nights,and The Devil tried to tempt him,but the Devil did not succeed,because Jesus was the son of God.

So Satan must have existed,if you dont beleive that Jesus did this,then you are saying Jesus was a lie.

The Devil is not underground,but he is around,thats why God is going to stop him soon and throw him into the abyss.

And i can honestly say i am not a retard,just because i write down,what i have read,and what i beleive.

Love and God bless Love Juditha

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Reply #39 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 2:02pm

Hi RA how dare u call me a retard i am no such thing but it sounds to me you are describing yourself i doint care what you say the devil existed it sounds like youve got a bit of him in you ,i dont like the devil i dont like to think he existed but the plain truth is he did ,youve got your opininons and so have i so there you are i ,ll write what i want on this forum i,m entitled to as much as you any day of the week . deanna

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Reply #40 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 2:13pm

Juditha:

You don't have to claim that Jesus is a liar in order to say that the below is inaccurate.

To me it doesn't make sense that somebody like Jesus would have to speak to somebody like the devil for forty days and forty nights. If somebody like the devil even bothered to mess with somebody like Jesus, the conversation would've been over in a few seconds.

If you take the Bible literally, the devil made only three or four propositions to Jesus. Would it really take forty days and nights for just three or four propositions to me made?

You have to take into consideration that Jesus' stories were communicated by word of mouth, and a number of years passed before they were written down. Also, people, yes people, decided which stories of Jesus would become a part of the Bible, and how they would be translated. If you examine how different versions of the Bible have been translated, it easy to see that the human factor has been a significant factor.

My feeling is that Jesus' forty days and nights with the devil might be symbolic of his spending forty days and nights overcoming his lower egoic nature so he could live according to God's love and light completely. If you look at the history behind the word devil and the various ways it has been used, it is certainly possible that the word devil took the place of lower egoic nature. Considering how later translations turned a fallen king into a fallen angel (Isaiah) and added eternal damnation language, it is certainly possible that Jesus' story of dealing with and overcoming his own lower nature could've been turned into devil talk. Just consider how losely demon and devil were thrown around in the gospels. Some people accused Jesus and John the Baptist of being possessed by devils. No way.

If you believe it is wrong to speak of Jesus as having a lower nature at some time, isn't it possible that one of the reasons he came here is so that he could show us by example how to overcome our lower nature?

I hope you can consider what I wrote. It's hard to consider things anew when the beliefs we have in place influence how we come to conclusions.

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Hi Jesus went into the desert wilderness for forty days and forty nights,and The Devil tried to tempt him,but the Devil did not succeed,because Jesus was the son of God.

So Satan must have existed,if you dont beleive that Jesus did this,then you are saying Jesus was a lie.

The Devil is not underground,but he is around,thats why God is going to stop him soon and throw him into the abyss.

And i can honestly say i am not a retard,just because i write down,what i have read,and what i beleive.

Love and God bless Love Juditha

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Reply #41 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 2:37pm

Hi Recoverer,i did not mean that Jesus was talking to the devil in the desert for forty days and forty nights,i meant that the devil tempted him now and again through those days and nights.

Everyone seems to think that the bible is not to be beleived,whatever i say about the bible,i get put down for it,i just given up,i guess i best not say anymore.

It must be a nice feeling for you to know it all recoverer and i say this with all respect

Love and God bless Love juditha

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Reply #42 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 3:12pm

Juditha:

I don't know it all, but I try to listen to my heart.

My heart tells me that God has ultimate wisdom and infinite love. The same is true with Jesus.

There are numerous times within the Bible in which God is spoken of as if he "isn't" a being of ultimate wisdom and infinite love. When such occurences happen, I have a choice. Either I can decide that despite what my heart tells me God isn't a being of ultimate wisdom and infinite love, or I can consider the factor of how numerous men (not women) have determined what went into the Bible, and some of these people didn't understand what God is actually about.

You know, for the longest time I thought I was free of fundamentalist ideas. Eventually my spiritual development reached the point where parts of my unconscious mind were made known to me. I found that some of these parts believed that perhaps fundamentalist ideas are true, and if I go against them satan and eternal damnation are headed my way.

As I would go for my daily walk I would tell God that his divine plan is important to me and whatever it is I'm on board. But, I also told him that I can't assert to myself that the Bible is completely true and Jesus is a significant part of your plan, without really knowing. Especially not since my heart tells me that you are a being of infinite love and wisdom. I'm open to what you have to tell me.

God responded, and I started to receive messages and have experiences that told me that Jesus Christ is a significant part of the spiritual evolution of mankind. However, I've also been told not in the fundamentalist way that people believe. I also get the feeling that God and Jesus don't mind if we question the Bible. This is part of the reason we were given minds to discriminate with. So we won't be mislead by the false interpretations of others, and end up believing in viewpoints which suggest that God isn't a being of infinite love and wisdom, and that he would allow things to play out so that billions of his beloved children end up in hell for all of eternity, simply because they didn't come around to believing in a certain way.

On more than one occasion I've experienced divine love in a manner where I wanted to get down on my knees in order to express my grattitude and humility towards God, Jesus and other beings of love and light. I didn't, because I don't believe that they want to be worshipped in such a way. They just want to be appreciated for who they are.

I figure that God and Jesus experience more love than I've experienced. This being the case, I don't see how they could possibly match the diescriptions that are sometimes presented in the Bible. Do you realize how much it would hurt them if billions of souls ended up in hell for all eternity? No way they would allow things to play out in such a way.

God and Jesus won't stop loving you for wondering if the Bible completely represents what they are completely about. If anything, you would put really big smiles on their faces.

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Hi Recoverer,i did not mean that Jesus was talking to the devil in the desert for forty days and forty nights,i meant that the devil tempted him now and again through those days and nights.

Everyone seems to think that the bible is not to be beleived,whatever i say about the bible,i get put down for it,i just given up,i guess i best not say anymore.

It must be a nice feeling for you to know it all recoverer and i say this with all respect

Love and God bless Love juditha

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Reply #43 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 3:37pm

Hi Recoverer What you have written,has made me sit and think about my ideas of certain things and one thing i realised that sometimes ,i do feel afraid of things as i had that really bad experience the other week,with a negative entity,but it could not hurt me as i told it to go to the light the next night and it has not happened since.

I carry love in my heart and i realise that i should know in a way by doing what i do as a medium,and by practising as a medium,i have learned that the spirit world holds nothing but pure unconditional love.

I remember reading of a message from spirit through this medium,that spirit were saying that there is no such thing as hell,its just a manmade word,i have experienced so much love since i have communed with spirit,and i realise now thats whats there unconditional love for all of us.

I am sorry recoverer for saying about you think you know it all,thats not fair,as i realise now that i was thinking i knew it all as well,you got as much right, as me to write what you think about things.

Love and God bless Love Juditha

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Reply #44 - Dec 6^th, 2006 at 4:11pm

Hello Judita:

Please see responses below.

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Hi Recoverer What you have written,has made me sit and think about my ideas of certain things and one thing i realised that sometimes ,i do feel afraid of things as i had that really bad experience the other week,with a negative entity,but it could not hurt me as i told it to go to the light the next night and it has not happened since.
"I've experienced some creepy things myself. I guess it goes with the territory when you can communicate with spirits. Nothing bad has happened to me yet, and the divine spirits I'm in contact with tell me I don't have anything to worry about. Nevertheless, I occasionally still allow fear to assert itself at times. Nothing like it used to though. My friends in the spirit World have helped me so much in this regard."

I carry love in my heart and i realise that i should know in a way by doing what i do as a medium,and by practising as a medium,i have learned that the spirit world holds nothing but pure unconditional love.

I remember reading of a message from spirit through this medium,that spirit were saying that there is no such thing as hell,its just a manmade word,i have experienced so much love since i have communed with spirit,and i realise now thats whats there unconditional love for all of us.

"My experience, heart and common sense tell me the same thing about the love that is available. I believe that God and our friends in the spirit World believe that we worry way more than we need to."

I am sorry recoverer for saying about you think you know it all,thats not fair,as i realise now that i was thinking i knew it all as well,you got as much right, as me to write what you think about things.
"Thank you for the apology, but no need. I can tell that you're a really nice person, and you wouldn't want to do anything to hurt anybody. Perhaps you just got emotional for a moment, like I do. Sorry for when I've gotten carried away."

Love and God bless Love Juditha

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