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Thoughts on LAurie Monroe's illness
Nov 19th, 2006 at 12:51pm
 
I wanted a separate thread for these thoughts because Marilyn started the other as a prayer thread for Laurie.

If I knew Laurie, I would ask her what she really wants, and then I would imagine that for her. In absence of that, it is hard to not ask alot of questions about the nature of illness and living and dying and what it all means. To the extent that she is a public person at a place like Monroe Institute, I think that this is legitimate even as I acknowledge she is also a private citizen.

She's so young for this in our current culture. So why is this happening? And what is the outcome?

Robert Monroe wrote a scene in a later book, about our planet. The mother animal...I always saw that as some kind of cat....had babies and they were threatened. The mother animal went to do battle, perhaps to the death, to defend the babies. This has something to do with the loosh stories. The babies sat on the sidelines, a bit detached, and watched for the outcome. I feel like one of the babies in this sort of situation.

You figure someone at a place like Monroe Institute has access to some inside information. Yet the illness has progressed to a critical state. If hemi-sync doesn't get me to a place where I am more aware of what is happening in my body, is it useful for me? It always puzzled me that Bob Monroe could go obe and learn all sorts of interesting stuff and still need heart surgery. I guess Seth was right; progress isn't linear. Of course, it was always a puzzle that Jane Roberts could have access to so much info and then die the way she did. I can't tell from a distance why the different camps in the non-traditional stuff don't seem to interact more and share more info or expertise. Does that ultimately mean the hemi-sync has less meaning than I hope?or that affirmations (the shorthand for alot of alternate theories of reality) have less meaning than I hope for? What does Laurie Monroe's illness have (symbolically) for meaning in my life? Louise Hay's old book always tied lung problems into not being able to take in life fully. A cousin of mine, who had alot of vitality, dies from complicationms of emphysema and cancer. I think she couldn't take in some of the joy. I feel like I can't learn from this wothout access to some of those inner details that tell what is really going on.

Well, Laurie, I do know it is just rotten to feel sick, so I hope you feel better today.
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Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2006 at 9:19am
 
Hi Lucy,

Once I met a person who was perfect—talented, had beauty of soul and beauty physically, and was caring.  Guidance could see how impressed I was and began the longest message I've ever received. Although my reception was garbled, it told me about all the success this person was going to have, that this lifetime was his crowning achievement because it was to be his last Earthly incarnation. But to continue his development beyond the physical, one minor flaw had to be dealt with; he had picked up some pollution in his blood that could be cleared most quickly by him getting and being treated for leukemia.
 
It all happened as Guidance said it would.  A major major illness for a minor minor flaw. Sometimes it makes me angry, other times sad or humbled.  It was dumbfounding when Guidance said it then, and it still is a reminder to me that I just can't look at events the same way 'Guidance' does.

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Reply #2 - Nov 20th, 2006 at 1:53pm
 
Even though spiritual, mental and physical health are tied in together, I don't believe it is realistic to believe that spiritually balanced people will never get sick.

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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2006 at 12:19pm
 
Hi recoverer
I'm always contemplating the questions about, how, if we create our own reality, do we create the adversity we sometimes encounter? I've gotten myself, on occasion, into situations that I do not understand how I did it to get there! So I'm always looking for a new angle.


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Really interesting reply. Yeah, I get the Dumbfounding aspect of not understanding this!

There seem to be layers, but I can't figure out how they are related and I can't see the total picture either. So yeah, on one layer, what we learn here is much more important to us than being perfect here. That is probably easier to understand when one is not in pain.

I can have something I want to "fix" and I can focus on it and meditate on it and send it light and try to see it fixed and nothing happens. Then I can somehow shift conciousness (and I'm not sure how I do this) and think of it differently and go back to C1 and ...things change. Go figure.

Still...I would like to see things from your Guidance's perspective and better understand....except that I am afraid to ask for that 100% because the last time I sort of did I got what I asked for...and some. Maybe that's why Laurie possibly can't really explain what is going on...it takes more tha intellectual understanding for this. But I can't really say I understand exactly what I've gained for some of the garbage I've lived through. I guess your perfect friend didn't get it either (on this side)...or did he?
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Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2006 at 12:59pm
 
Lucy:

Things aren't as simple as Seth/Jane Roberts make it sound.

People don't become sick simply because they believe that they are going to become sick.  I've found through experience that I had physical problems because of energetic blocks caused by psychological/emotional issues. As soon as the issues were cleared up, the physical problems went away.

I don't believe it is common for a person to be aware of every psychological/emotional issue they have to an extent, where they will never have a resulting physical problem.

It won't do a person much good to believe they won't become sick, if they don't take care of the psychological/emotional issues that cause them to be sick.

And there are occassions where something goes physically wrong without something psychological causing it. If you took Seth/Jane Roberts approach you could physically transform yourself into pink elephant simply by believing that you are one.
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Reply #5 - Nov 22nd, 2006 at 12:47pm
 
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Even though spiritual, mental and physical health are tied in together, I don't believe it is realistic to believe that spiritually balanced people will never get sick.


Lucy, have you ever heard anyone say that hemi-sync makes one totally balanced?  You must remember that we are all human. If we weren't and were so totally balanced, we would have already ascended. Laurie is human, just as her father was and is/was and still subject to the same physical ailments we all are. They are not gods. Do you think Bruce is totally balanced?  If so, then why did he have a stroke. Come on, get real. We're not living in heaven, we're in the Earth School of learning.

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Reply #6 - Nov 24th, 2006 at 10:11pm
 
Hi Lucy,

What you write below is already what Seth has said about getting sick. He doesn't simply limit it to believing or not believing you can get sick. But Seth directly ties it in to one's mental state and psychological/emotional issues:

Seth (ESP Class, 6-3-69): "… But never as a finished product. For a state of health is not an end product – or an unchanging station in those terms. It is the ability to effectively handle energy in a constructive way for your own benefit and the benefit of others. The state of health is a poor term. You should indeed imagine yourself, therefore, able to handle your energy effectively for your own good and the good of others; to imagine yourself as a channel through which the creativity of the universe can express itself. For when you harbor negative ideas and resentments, then indeed you set up a block and the block causes distortions. Now you call them illnesses in many instances. They are distortions. The energy is being distorted and misused and misshapen."

Seth (Session 159): "An illness is a failure to solve a mental or psychological problem in the correct manner...The energy that would be used to solve the problem instead is spent maintaining the illness. It is therefore necessary that an attempt be made as soon as possible to solve the problem, which of course must first be discovered by the ego, which has avoided it."

Be well & happy,
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recoverer wrote on Nov 21st, 2006 at 12:59pm:
Lucy:

Things aren't as simple as Seth/Jane Roberts make it sound.

People don't become sick simply because they believe that they are going to become sick.  I've found through experience that I had physical problems because of energetic blocks caused by psychological/emotional issues. As soon as the issues were cleared up, the physical problems went away.

I don't believe it is common for a person to be aware of every psychological/emotional issue they have to an extent, where they will never have a resulting physical problem.

It won't do a person much good to believe they won't become sick, if they don't take care of the psychological/emotional issues that cause them to be sick.

And there are occassions where something goes physically wrong without something psychological causing it. If you took Seth/Jane Roberts approach you could physically transform yourself into pink elephant simply by believing that you are one.

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Reply #7 - Nov 25th, 2006 at 12:04am
 
good thread Lucy! my premise expresses much of the thought on this thread. I do believe that our bodies will reflect our belief systems to outpicture when we are ill at ease, the word disease is to mean not at ease, or dis-eased.
aside from that, we come to be in flesh for a reason, to experience physicality.  the body with its sense organs; yet we still relegate the care of the body into the hands of the doctors who actually study the human body. someday, we can learn to rely on our own selves to heal ourself but we are not there yet as a society as a whole.
frequently if we are in pain or have a problem with the body, the way it has been for me is only to discover the reason in hindsight. like you I reach an altered state and find the reason and work on it or its just gone.

then theres exit points in everyone's life. where you can use this or that reason to leave (this on a subconscious level sometimes) I used to entertain in resthomes...most of those souls were not happy campers. it was quite a chore sometimes. good thing the nurses didn't let them throw tomatoes Sad 
some very advanced souls choose to do battle with an illness for the sheer challenge of overcoming. if they can overcome, they get to take credit and then teach their method of overcoming which is the fun part, helping others.

I have a theory. I used to not pay too much attention to the care of my body, actually thought the body was not spiritual and so would take care of itself. it does to a certain extent, heal itself, close a wound for you, etc, but I think its true we don't occupy our bodies with our awareness, every single cell, to appreciate the activity which it is contantly doing. my theory is to appreciate the body daily produces if not supreme health, it produces a vital energy..I'm sure its not the latte's I drink!

I'm not saying Laurie didn't appreciate her body, I'm saying I didn't appreciate it that much before now and I was focused on spiritual studies all my life. and I still popped out two vertebrae, ya-ah! writhing on the floor, simply because I was not focused on taking care of this wondrous thing and loath to ask anyone for help. broke on top of that. finally emailed a friend who had worked a bit with absent healing techniques. and he popped my vertebrae back in..he was in Tennessee, I was in New Mexico.
its that easy. nobody need suffer, unless theres a reason for that and we'd have to get to know that person why they go thru this illness..sometimes it can be as simple as a person sacraficing themselves for the sake of others and simply not paying attention to their own needs. the good thing about illness, you get time to baby yourself, something you might have forgotten to do. I see Laurie this way, that she loved her work, but forgot about her own self. now its her turn for her friends to gather around her and celebrate her, whether she continues to be here or moves on.
she surely knows more about the afterlife than the average person so I think she will be just fine whatever she choses.

Hemi sync is just a tool designed to aide us in our development but I don't think we can call it anything other than a tool. a good meditation can balance the left to the right as well, I think its something one must do daily and be consistent with observing every single thought and emotion which is allowed entrance. I wonder how many of us are aware of every single thought that flitters across the brain in acceptance, whether its negative or positive?

and how time consuming to maintain ourselves this way, but we will get there! we will evolve into ownership of our entire beings is my vision, although I may be watching this board from another dimension when it happens! Smiley
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Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 1:09am
 
Is that Barrie from Jane's esp class?

Alysia interesting comments. I'm always looking for the causes because then if you know the cause presumably you know the fix. But I can see taking on an illness for the challenge (until I think of the pain!). Rather, I can see that someone else might choose to do that.
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Reply #9 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 3:35am
 
I loved your post Chuckles. It resonated well with me.

This is truly a great forum filled with the greatest of intentions.

It is sincerity in the quest for answers that truly leads to the most divine love of all.

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Reply #10 - Nov 27th, 2006 at 9:22am
 

What a lovely heart felt post lucy. U know i guess maybe the first thing u gotta ask is- do you think that the universe is perfect in every way? Shouldnt that kinda clarify everything for you? Surely we die for a reason just like we live for a reason and surely that reason is perfect..? Just as the fairly recent passing of joshua david stone, he and 'others' clearly felt that he was of more use in every way There than Here. Your post also reminds me of one of the hardest concepts to get my head around- that if the universe is perfect, which i believe it is, and suffering is clearly part of the universe, then suffering is in fact perfect. That kinda leads me to say that suffering is merely a vague tag to denote an enriching experience which is necessary and essential to growth. But does that really apply to the untold, extreme suffering of people, say, in Iraq at the moment? I guess its either an exhausting process of soul-searching, or a simple 'yes'. Isnt joy meaningless without pain? Isnt PUL meaningless without fear? Anyway thankx for your post lucy, it touched me deeply.
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Reply #11 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 1:01pm
 
Regarding the below, certainly love doesn't require the existence of fear in order to exist. One of the main things it does is enable us to completely appreciate and accept each other. Fear is a non factor in this regard.

Perhaps fear can play a role in this manner. You watch a movie or read a novel. The characters within the story go through many travails. In the end their hardships are worth enduring, because the story has a wonderful ending. In a way, what they experienced helps them appreciate the wonderful ending.

On the other hand, going by what I experienced, divine love doesn't need any help. It's complete all on its own.

On the other hand (again Smiley) sometimes a little variety in life isn't a bad thing.

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Reply #12 - Nov 29th, 2006 at 8:46pm
 
Even though spiritual, mental and physical health are tied in together, I don't believe it is realistic to believe that spiritually balanced people will never get sick. 

Well said!  I had met Laurie Monroe twice. Once back in 1998 and again last year.  Both times I saw her smoke very heavely.  People were appalled when seeing her smoking.  Imagine--- a perfectly balanced spirit who smokes. Bob Monroe smoked all his life. 
We are human with human fallacies.  All the "gods and demi-gods" had a human downfall.  They bled when the skin was broken; they got diaper rash as a baby; they got hunger pains when hungry, etc.  Those are the human aspects we ACCEPTED before incarnating into a human body.  Ever notice: none of the above Gods, Goddesses or demi-Gods are alive and well in the present "time"?  There bodies died.  No mater how centered and evolved in spirit they were/are, WE all die and continue on in another realm. 

This "body experience" is different for everyone.  As the saying goes, each one of us has his or her own anchor weighing us down.  This is Lauries anchor to tow.  We can help her carry it, but only Laurie can remove it. Love and Light --Carol Ann

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Reply #13 - Nov 30th, 2006 at 8:58am
 
As a sort of aside, the comments on perfection have juxtaposed with my son's reading Dante's Inferno and with trying to understand that work through good ole Spark notes, which I will footnote with a link.

"one of Dante’s major themes (is): the perfection of God’s justice. The inscription over the gates of Hell in Canto III explicitly states that God was moved to create Hell by justice (III.7). Hell exists to punish sin, and the suitability of Hell’s specific punishments testify to the divine perfection that all sin violates."

http://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/inferno/themes.html

not that I believe in Dante's sincerity in the quest for answers...he was just posting the official doctrine of his time.

though it does seem that some of our current thinking still resonates with overtones of punishing sins for violating divine perfection.

even though, if it really is perfect, how can it be violated? logical contradiction.

I'm not sure I believe that "god" created the world. Maybe we did. I guess I thought that traveling to the other realms (via meditation or hemi-sync or whatever) might give better insight into this, but I'm not sure it does, though I don't know why.
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Reply #14 - Nov 30th, 2006 at 12:26pm
 
Greetings Lucy,

But what if there are absolutes because life is a continual progression? If we couldn't progress onto other, higher planes until we cleared our energy fields, perhaps we would welcome (on some level of consciousness) some loving corrections. Maybe we would choose a few months of 'dis-ease' to several lifetimes of some slower remedy.
I'm not talking pollyanna here---I've had pain and I don't like it one bit! But in preference to lifetimes of gradual correction, I guess I'd say yes again. So much other stuff could go wrong during those gradual lifetimes, even if I came in with the best of intentions. 

When we say that everything is 'perfect' we mean that yes, it's perfect for the stage it's / we're at now. The System/ God's Love is perfectly functionning. 

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Woops, missed your earlier implied question, but I'm not sure of the answer as I no longer hear from him directly.

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