[quote author=OutOfBodyDude link=1163819502/165#165 date=1173540773]Alysia

I too am very interested in Chakras, Kundalini and the entire energy body circut.  Do you do any energy work? 
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good morning....no, I am just like your philosophy. I adhere to the lazy man's philosophy of spiritual development, the path of least resistence. meaning I continually listen to internal guidance instead of raising my own kundalini, as you say, too much energy raising could cause problems, like an overwhelming feeling. what I work with is my emotions which I consider is what projects me outward. I simply observe what I'm feeling in any given moment and then I get mental with it or receive messages. I suppose this is my energy work.  the reason I'm so intrigued with these energy portals or chakras, is that the time I became this orb thing I very distincly felt a spinning energy exit a door in my forehead, a current of energy, it was me! I was "out". yet amazingly, I knew my body was still in the chair being ever so quiet for me.
thank you for helping me figure things out Dude. it was not a mistake you came to this board.
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Dude said:
I do, but only lightly.  Probably five minutes a night, tops.  Simply because I do not want to over do it.  I would not like to loose my mind or life due to a premature Kundalini awakening, so I am just taking it slow.  Half of the time I work on the seven main chakras, and the other half I work on the secondary circut.  Robert Bruces NEW is a gem.
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I was given a dream message regarding "NEW." years ago. you are absolutely right, it is a gem. had my 2nd "real" retrieval after doing NEW.  Moen has a similar exercise; I combined the two.
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Alsyia, you gave me an idea.  I am going to investigate my chakras the next time I am out of body. (hmm and this is only number 1,452,876 on my list of things to do out of body!!
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haha! contain yourself! yea, right!   say, I want to visit the library on the other side consciously like Moen did. That's probably the only thing on my list right now. love, alysia

Hey, where have you been out of body dude? Have you been out of body all this time?

I think Laffingrain and Out Of Body Dude desperately need to make an appointment with
Doctor Phil..LOL !!!!!!!!!!!Darth. May both sides of the force be with you.

I Am Dude wrote on Mar 10^th, 2007 at 11:32am:


was re-reading you're interested in chakras, so I posted this on myspace and thought you might like to read it about chakras. now, I don't claim to be expert, I only started studying chakras about 6 years ago and I don't believe in working with kundalini, but let yourself develop naturally without pushing it. the only "energy" work I claim to do is visualization of myself expanding outward and world hugging sort of energy work, has nothing to do with gaining any powers for myself, if you do that kind of chakra work, you won't have difficulty or confusion of too much activity in them. its a matter of trusting yourself and learning PUL and expanding mental concept capabilities. balance in all things I say.

we are entering as a group and in the world into the 4rth and 5th layers of consciousness where we enter non duality and non judgment.
this may give u some thoughts that u might carry with you when you go obe or phase which lead you to discover more and then you can come enlighten me or just share what you might have got; I've got this theory what we think about out pictures in obes or reflects, but theres so much more to discover by this type of exploring, so I don't understand why Darth wants us to go get Doctor Phil? I'm sure Doctor Phil is already ascended!

Layers of heaven are synonamous with layers of consciousness in this discourse. You've heard of 7 layers of heaven or 7th heaven? Throughout different religions we hear about the 7 heavens and the number 7 has mystical connotations for many through the centuries.
this is LaughingRains makeshift presentation for your enjoyment possibly.
1) First layer we will call the earth plane of physical reality within time and space as we think of it. Well now, thats about all we can say about the 1st layer but we can say it's a plane of objective work a day dimension where we attend to body, survival of that, and relationships with family and the world. Think of yourself not as a body, but as a spirit which animates the body with life force and gathers life experience.
2) The 2nd layer of heaven, or consciousness is often called the lower astral plane. It may be seen as focus level 22 where spirits who were addicted to a substance, or persons in a physical coma may float. This is the layer where many will encounter what has been called ghosts for lack of a better term. It is in truth an extension of the first layer. It vibrates in harmony with the attention of physical people. A slight shift of attention can many times open paranormal senses to this layer. Google Skyhero transpersonal reality material for more detailed info. In the 2nd layer we find good and bad folks according to our limited judgement of that, It is a temporary spirit holding zone. Most of the residents of the 2nd layer continue on after a short period of time. They are held there only by their attention. Many assisting helpers work in this area to help folks move on to higher levels.

3) Third layer can be conjectured as focus level 23 through 26 by TMI. (The Monroe Institute) This plane of spirit existence is containing all religious belief systems as well the concept of reward and punishment realms. You will also find people of no religious belief in particular residing in communities on this plane. In the 3rd layer, nonphysical folks attend school and enjoy the pleasures of their expectations.
The inhabitants desire to learn is childlike. Cognitive thought is the ability to give consideration to all other possibilities. Cognitive thought is nearly absent in the 2nd and 3rd layers. Cognitive thought IS accessible in the 1st layer, physical plane.The easiest place to work on one's paradigm (entire philosopy) is in the first layer.
4) The fourth layer in my estimation could be seen as TMI's focus level 27. I will be checking on that tomorrow.
thanks for the read. Credit for what I've learned about the layers goes to Bill Cozzolini, an author, and TMI and the good folks that come from that school of consciousness and to similar correlations I've drawn in my own explorations out of body.

Out of body dude:

That's why some people don't meet a light being named Christ when they have a near death experience. They don't actually have an NDE, they just make it up.

Did you hit your head on something while away? It seems like you forgot something important.

Judgement?

Despite the fact of how outofbody dude states that he was graced by the presence of Christ, he makes yet another joke about Jesus, and again denies that the person of Jesus ever existed.

Is there something wrong with speaking up when people purposely say something against Jesus? Are people supposed to keep quiet when somebody says something against Jesus, so they won't be viewed as being judgemental? Well, people can judge me as being judgemental as much as they want.

I couldn't get outofbodydude's my space to come up. I can't imagine how it can reveal something about him which justifies his making a joke out of Jesus.


LaffingRain wrote on Jun 27^th, 2007 at 1:06pm:

Outofbodydude:

The feeling I get from you is that you're a young whipper snapper. Have to go through some growing pains just like the rest of us. If you're not careful the growing pains you'll have to go through will be mighty rough.  

I had a dream the other night. I was on a bus with a young drunk guy who was playing with a gun. I took it away from him and turned the safety on. Then I figured that because he was drunk, he'd probably cause the safety to come off. So I decided to not give the gun back to him. Turned out he had another. This young drunk guy was a guy I barely knew from high school. I couldn't figure out why I had a dream with him. Then I saw your photo, and you remind me of him. Some other guy was on the bus. I don't remember who. There were also a man and woman who represented divine spirit in some way.




I Am Dude wrote on Jun 27^th, 2007 at 2:54pm: