Just a little thought - I wonder if it could be that both of your opinions - as well as the dozen or two other versions that other members of the forum have expressede from time to time - are not only correct, in at least one way of looking at things, but also necessary for the whole picture?

For example, God is One. We arise from God, hence from Oneness. We each manifest that Oneness. Yet we are all different, and each of us creates our own personal world and somehow we actually get all these different personal worlds to fit together. It's as if God has infinite personalities, projected through all of us, and yet none of these multiple personalities duplicates any other one. Each individual world works for the person with those beliefs and understandings, and amazingly, it does so without contradiction of anyone else. (Or at least it can do so without contradiction if we allow it.)

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what was the original topic?   a question..yes I believe they exist. according to different sources I won't mention here, but you can find these sources all over the wonderful internet, our world is to view more ufo's this year coming up.

I read a book by William Gammil which did set my mind at ease concerning aliens. Mairlyn, dang if I haven't forgotten the books name again..   Juditha, you might like to read Commune, another book. the author was abducted but he does tell the benefits to being abducted and he did say he had agreed before incarnation to allow this to happen. I figure any experience of the soul traveling here whereby it seems one is subjected to undue trials, this can be turned around to see the positive side with persistence and willing to face the duality play on this planet as it tries to walk the tightrope of evolving into all we can be.
In Gammil's book, he corresponded with aliens who purported to be none other than our future selves and also a part of a very old heirarchy called the Great White Brotherhood. (ok, keep yer hat on) white to mean white light.
I happen to not believe in good or bad..its all just life happening at once. the ones with the black hats on? they are just playing a role. shoot em down if u want, u just get to come back and wear the black hat next time.

ok, got too many words in me today..I gotta go talk to my friend Shirley, we are so tight.
listen Dave. I never met anyone like you. you amaze me. thanks for balancing our energy. thats what you do and thats what I try to do too.

love, alysia

Yes, Alysia and Dave..we are one..

And Alysia..I think you are right, when we are ready, they will come.  And, I think some of us do visit them..at least astrally.

I think movies such as Alien and Independance Day do a disservice to our outlook of potential alien contact.  But, most tend to look at "different" as "bad" or "evil"..so, its understandable.

So, in conclusion..

My personal opinion/thought/belief is that we get the understanding we need to go through this particular incarnation.  To be able to realize that each of us is different, and what we need is different, would go a long way towards understanding and harmony.

Hi,

Perhaps some are interested in Seth on this subject:

Appendix 20 for session 713 (From The Unknown Reality Vol. 2)

"The strange thing about your flying saucers is not that they appear, but that you can see them. As science advances on various planes the inhabitants learn to travel between planes occasionally, while carrying with them the [camouflage] manifestation of their home stations.

"I am quite sure - I know for a fact - that beings from other planes have appeared among you, sometimes on purpose and sometimes completely by accident. As in some cases humans have accidentally blundered through the apparent curtain between your present and your past, so have beings blundered into the apparent division between one plane and another. Usually when they have done so they were invisible on your plane, as the few of you who fell into the past, or the apparent past, were invisible to the people of the past.

"This sort of experience involves a sudden psychic awareness, straight from the entity, that all boundaries are for practical purposes only. However, there are indeed many kids of science. There are a number of sciences dealing just with locomotion. Had the human species gone into certain mental disciplines as thoroughly as it has explored technological disciplines, its practical transportation system would be vastly different, and yet by this time even more practical than it is now. (with amusement:) I am making this point because I want it made plain - this, dear Joseph, is a pun - that when I speak of science on another plane I may not speak of the plain old science that you know.

"Now back to the point. When sciences progress on various planes, then visitations become less accidental and more planned. Once the inhabitants of a plane have learned mental-science patterns, then they are to a great deal freed from the more regular camouflage [physical] patterns. This applies to "higher" planes than mine, generally speaking, although mine is further along in these sciences than your own.

"[Many of] the flying saucer appearances come from [such] a plane, [one] that is much more advanced in technological sciences than earth at this time. However, this is still not a mental science plane. Therefore the camouflage paraphernalia appears, more or less visible, to your own astonishment. Now, so strong is this tendency for vitality to change from one apparent form to another, that what you have here in your flying object is something that is actually, as you view it, not of your plane or of [whatever] plane of its origin...The atoms and molecules that structurally compose the UFO, and which are themselves formed by vitality, are more or less aligned according to the pattern of its own territory. Now as the craft enters your plane a distortion occurs. Its actual structure is caught in a dilemma of form... between transforming itself completely into earth's particular camouflage pattern, and retaining its original pattern. The earthly viewer attempts to correlate what he sees with what he is supposedly knows or imagines is possible in the universe.

"What he sees is something between a horse and a dog, that resembles neither. The flying saucer retains what it can of its original structure and changes what it must. This accounts for many of the conflicting
reports as to shape, size and color. The few times the craft shoots off at right angles, it has manages to retain functions ordinary to its particular habitat.

"I do not believe you will have any saucer landings for quite awhile, not physical landings in the usual sense of the word. These vehicles cannot stay on your plane for any length of time at all. the pressures that push against the saucer itself are tremendous...The struggle to be one thing or another is very great on any plane. To conform to the laws of a particular plane is practical necessity, and at this time the flying saucer craft simply cannot afford to stay betwixt and between for any indefinite period.

"What they do is take quick glimpses of your plane - and hold in mind that the sauce or cigar shape [often] seen on on your planet is a bastard form having little relation to the structure as it is at home base.

"At a later date I may go into the inhabitants of [those planes] more thoroughly but as it is I am not very much acquainted with them myself.

"There are so many things that you do not understand that I hope to explain to you. There are other things you do not understand that that I cannot explain to you, simply because they would be too alien now for your regular mode of thought.

"One note along these lines. A place - and I am using your term I will try to think of a better one - is not necessarily a planet. A plane may be one planet, but a plane may also exist where no planet is. One planet may have several planes. Planes may also involve various aspects of apparent time - this particular matter being too difficult to go into right now, although I will continue it later.

"Planes can and do intermix without the knowledge of the inhabitants of the particular places involved. I want to get away from the idea of a plane being a place. It may be in some cases but it is not always. A plane may be a time. A plane, believe it or not, may be only one iota of vitality that seems to exist by itself. A plane is something apparently divided fro the rest of the universe for a time and for a reason. A plane may cease to be. A plane may spring up where there was none. A plane is formed by entities as patterns for fulfillment on various levels. A plane is a climate conducive to the development of unique and particular capacities and achievements. A plane is an isolation of elements where each one is given the most possible space in which to function.

"Planets have been used as planes and used again as other planes. A plane is not a cosmic location. It is oftentimes practical that entities or their various personalities visit one plane before another. This does
not necessarily mean that one plane _must_ be visited before another. A certain succession is merely more useful for the entity as a whole.

"In other terms you could say that an entity visits all planes simultaneously, as it is possible for you to visit a certain state, county, and city at one time. you might also visit the states of sorrow and joy almost simultaneously, and experience both emotions in heightened form because of the almost immediate contrast between them.

"In fact the analogy of a plane with an emotional state is much more valid than between a plane and a geographical state - particularly since emotions take up no room."

Session 713 - The Unknown Reality Volume 2

"There are space-time coordinates that operate from your viewpoint – and space travel from the standpoint of your time, made along the axis of your space, will be a relatively sterile procedure. (some reported instances of UFO's happened in the past as far as the visitors were concerned, but appeared as images or realities in your present. This involves craft sightings only)

"Give us time...When you change your ordinary television set from one station to another you may encounter snow or distortion. If something is wrong with the set you may simply tune in patterns that appear meaningless and carry no particular program. You may have sound without a picture and sometimes even a picture but sound from another program. So when you begin to experiment with states of altered consciousness you often run into the same type of phenomena, when nothing seems to make sense.

"Currently physicists have made some important breakthroughs, but they do not recognize their significance. The universe that you know is filled with microscopic black holes and white holes, for example. Since your scientists have themselves given these labels, then using those terms I will say (with much gentle humor) that there are green, red, orange and purple holes - that is, the so called black holes and white holes only represent what physicists have so far deducted about the deeper
properties of your universe and the way that certain coordinate points in one world operate, as providing feed-through into another.

"Nothing exists outside of the psyche, however, that does not exist within it, and there is no unknown world that does not have its psychological or psychic counterpart. Man learned to fly as he tried to
_exteriorize_ inner experience, for in out-of-body states in dreams he had long been familiar with flight. All excursions into outer reality come as the psyche attempts to reproduce in any given "exterior" world the inner freedom of its being.

"Men have also visited other worlds through the ages. Others have visited your world. In dreams and in altered states through history as you accept it, men have been taken upon such journeys. On their return they almost always interpreted their experience in terms of their home programs, intertwining what happened into what ended up as great myths and stories - real but not real. "

Be well & happy,
Barrie
(Seth quotes copyright Rob Butts/2006)



DannyBoy wrote on Nov 17^th, 2006 at 4:18pm: