Hello everyone:

Long time, no post. Anyhow, I have asked questions in regards to this matter more than once, and yet again I find myself needing reassurance.

I had recently found this forum www.jenseits-de.org ; or www.jenseits-de.org/e/ww/ewegw.htm and read the following in regards to romance in the afterlife:

"And above all whether one can continue an earthly love (provided both are on the same plane) or is everything only all-encompassing love, warmth etc. ?

What do you mean by "continue"? There are no romantic relationships like we know them here. A couple on earth becomes "only" two souls on the other side, which do love each other like they love all other souls too. Besides they have common memories, a common relationship and a common life.

Yet this isn't a loss, as you might think, because you have to understand that souls become aware of their former lives in the past and at the same moment recognize all the souls with which they had a sexual relationship in one of the former lives. Therefore there can't be an eternal relationship in the spirit as we haven't had the same partner in the single lives! ".

Another Qoute: "The most important part of your existence is growing spiritually, which goes hand in hand with learning and the expansion of consciousness! At the moment you don't want to grow, you don't want to give away your dear late relative! You call it love, but that's NO love; that's only egotism! To love means to give. And letting go a deceased person for his own good, THIS is true love!"

This contradicts what i've been told by others. I'd like to hear from others once again on this matter.   I'd prefer to hear about first-hand accounts by either direct contact with those on the otherside via retreivals or chanelling or dreams from loved ones please! Will be greatfull for each and every response, of course!

Yours truly.....................................BD

Hi Baby Duck-
I once had a person recount a past life in which he died, waited around for his wife to die, and then together they went into the light. "Then," he continued, "She went to her group and I went to mine."

This makes little sense in the everyday world in which it is nearly miraculous to find someone who is so close that we can get involved in as high a level as two chakras - reproductive and affiliative. However, if you practice yoga and do your kundalini exercises etc you will eventually light up all of your chakras. That means a relationship with God that occurs on every possible level, and that is totally consuming. It far supercedes everyday earthly love.

This contrast seems to be what we experience as we die, where we have available to us a relationship with God that brings with it our mortal lover (because everything is one in God) and also is far more attractive.  Then, after we (and all of our soul mates) have made up our schedule of activities for the next life, if we happen to be in agreement in some area, we incorporate that into our agenda, pick a womb to handle the transition, and get reborn. That way we are reunited.

One way that this occurs is that today's lover may be tomorrow's parent, son, daughter, or again lover. That allows all aspects of the relationship to be explored and experienced. Only in cases in which both parties have set their intention to reunite again in the same manner will there be a resumption of prior relationships. Those cases usually involve tragedy and intense regret, so that the emotions can't be dissipated, and are carried into the next life.

According to many who have investigated this, it seems that we run in groups of roughly 100 souls, so that we have a number of other options for love. Thus, it may take a while to get reunited, but it is always possible.

The idea of carrying on the same kind of love that we had on earth when in transition into the spirit world is rather like preferring a shiny pebble to a sparkling diamond. People who really get stuck in that space tend to get earthbound, becoming spiritual voyeurs, and attempting to vicariously experience sensuality etc through others. (If you want to experience them, go to a cheap motel, one of those "hot pillow" places, and sense the aura of gross sensuality that seems to hover there. That's partly due to earthbound spooks.)

PUL
dave

God bless you both, Aysia and Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave you are like the papa bear, the logical bear and Alysia is like the momma bear, nurturing.....lol! You both made perfect sense! Just because I don't want to hear the truth it doesn't mean that it's not the truth.

Honestly, I am abit of a two-timer. I am not completly loyal to this forum. I am a spiritual forum floozy.......O.k., fine, I admit it!!!!!

I have been having grief "flashbacks" as of recently. I dislike people feeling sorry for me and I don't like to be a victim. I have,however, been feeling extremly nostalgic and sentimental as of recently. Just as I started thinking I got through the worst of it (I suppose I have,it's only been 8 months).

Anyhow, when I am feeling extremly fragile, I log onto the "Hello from Heaven" website and it's all about ADC's. This forum is very nurturing and they cater to those who are in the beginning stages of grief and everyone is super warm and friendly in a "care- bear" sort of way (sincere). I feel very comfortable pouring out my heart and soul. This is the nurturing, mama bear forum!

When I feel more logical and intellectual, I come here to share and learn knowledge. Don't get me wrong, there is love here aswell. It's papa love. A little different but very necessary and beneficial in it's own right.

To make a long story short, on the ADC website, I often hear of "romantic soulmates" who send a constant stream of ADC's to their loved ones on earth  long after the deceased has left this world. Sometimes my ego gets the best of me and I end up getting competative . I end up saying to myself, "Why does so and so's ex boyfriend from 17 years ago send X messages on a daily basis and my love has cut me off after only 8 months?!". I know, very childish (blame it on the ego), but it feels real and I am being honest.

Anyhow, it seems as though many spouses,lovers,exes were receiving messages from their departed loved ones regularily. These departed loved ones have busy, new lives on the otherside, but they  still manage to find the time to send magnificent ADC's to thier loved ones on a DAILY basis. Not only that, I sware, there were at least 5 other members on that forum who informed everyone  that their sweeties were building them log cabins on the other side and they were eagerly awaiting thier arrivals. I hate to admit this, but I became jelouse!!!!

I asked Pat (telepathicly) why he wasn't building me a "log Cabin" on the otherside and why he wasn't sending me messages on a daily basis. Believe it or not, I received a response.......I am not sure wether it was Pat or my subconscious, hard to say cause he was so silly and we both think so much alike anyways. The response I received was: "You want romance, I'll give you romance, I will give you Julio Iglesias , Fabio and the backstreet boys rolled into one!". I laughed at that one! Then I got a telepathic image of the movie "Romancing the Stone'".In the ending of the movie, Michael D. shows up at the lonely, heartbroken romance novelists' apartment in a sailboat. (It was his dream to sail around the world)Anyhow, It was one of the most romantic moments in cinematic history I beleive. You have to see it! I remember Pat and I watched this video together. In my mind (telepathicly) he gave me a flashback of the ending part of this movie. It's not like this was my fave flick, but deep within my subcinscious mind, I must recall that this scene in the movie was "tres romantique!!!!". I feel Pat was trying to say that he could do better then a "log cabin" and that he had a special surprise instore for me. When I cross over, he will give me a scene more romantic then words can say. Call me a dreamer! He was a poet and an artist  (and french) so I imagine that he will come up with something good!!!!!

Shortly after this mind episode, I  heard a voice (wasn't MY spirit guide) say "You are two souls that were clearly meant to be together!" I was also told  by my my guide (I beleive) that Pat loves me just as much as ever, but it's been reccomended to him that we each take a little break so that we can have space and get familiar with our new lives. You see, on earth our relationship was somewhat co-dependent. My guides said that he was very attached to me and he is slowly weening himself off. He is now learning the lesson of "Enjoying this moment cause thats' all that matters". Thats where his mind frame is at now. It is very nice cause he is sharing his new-found knowledge  and he is trying to share the same lesson with me! My (favorite) spirit guide says "It's like a momma bird finding worms and feeding them to its' babies". His knowledge is nourishment that he feeds me and we are still growing together . I guess I am just a die -hard, old fashioned, romantic!!

BD

P.S. Dave, I'd love to do a past life regression session with you.Too bad I live all the way in Canada........send me a private PM if it's possible to do this process over the phone and give me a price list aswell, thanks!!!!

sigh...that was a lovely post Duck. so glad I don't have to make my word good and eat my puter..lost some of my teeth anyway...
so Pat made u laugh. laughter is love too. laughter can also release negative feelings and get things in perspective. he's working it. sounds like a delightful relationship and as I thought about what is co-dependency I see it as a mutual agreement to discover what PUL is, and its ok whatever it is and is changing into.
looks like its not just me associates a restful log cabin with feelings of relaxing into love. I think its amazing we can build a cabin on the other side and step right into it when we're done here, that thing we always wanted but didn't get while here. theres a concept. I like it that Pat is living in the now moment..I can't see that there is anything else but a now moment there so makes extreme sense.
nostaligia? oh I'm the nostalgia queen to catch glimpses of other selves, other loves.  what I'm realizing is Pat is where he needs to be and you too and me too and all of us. The nostaligia makes me wish I'd known then what I know now..just how valuable even a crummy life can turn out to be and how quick its done, just when you were starting to groove with it. all that counts in the end is the gratitude for having known any love at all, thats the now moment place I think.

beautiful journey..beautiful Duck. say, I'm not teasing u to call u a duck, as remember I told u once a duck opened my heart? I think it was his attitude that did it. love, alysia

Dave, you are like Papa Bear and I appreciate it. I wanted to apologize and further explain my position or viewpoint or focus or whatever so you know I wasn't saying anything in disagreement with you. as a matter of fact, once I got a strong feeling I had been my baby sister's husband in another time, perhaps if u can look at these individualities we call ourselves as points of awareness inserted into both male and female bodies, then its a little easier to see it that way, that we are always role changing..just until you get off the wheel and I've decided to get off the wheel. yes, we can get off it, but probably only by apologizing as you go so that we don't wrack up the karma by walking on top of someone.
you can understand that if you felt you were only partially here..then we all get to feeling like the men in the white coats are coming...the problem is not a problem as I know exactly what I'd say to them and how happy I would be to go with them. Besides, if they feed and shelter me I could write another book
anyhoo, I wasn't thinking so much about what u said other than to agree, it was the other website Duck mentioned and I thought they should not create a fear thought the way that they did in Duck. you dave, never create a fear thought and just wanted to let u know I wish I could meet you sometime. love, alysia