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Reply #30 - Nov 11th, 2006 at 11:33pm
 
Hey Newwayknight,
just a thought-experiment; assume we have a case specialists of the Roman Catholic Church would state is a true demonic possession, so imagine actually a demon has possessed a person. What do you think what would happen when encountering this demon with Dave's method?

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Reply #31 - Nov 12th, 2006 at 2:27pm
 
(A hard subject to a non native English speaker, excuse me in advance please)

Allan Kardec conclusions on the subject:

The human spirit whether incarnated or not can communicate to others always it can “tune” with the “target”.  

Usually what happens is kind of a thought exchange. When incarnated the phenomenon is felt as an intuition otherwise among discarnated spirits it is clearer and direct.

Both the “good” and the “not good yet” spirits can influence us once tuned with us.

What is called possession? To understand it we need first to understand the mechanism of the spiritual influence.

Spirits are all over around (we’re spirits) and not all of then can influence us, why?

It’s because the process is based in transmitting an idea to a person in a way that the person tends to agree and act according to the transmitted idea hence it’s necessary to find a basis at the “target” mind.

So if I’m a very aggressive spirit and my goal is to convince someone to spank a person I hate at the physical I’ll need to find a person who believes that violence is a possible way to solve a problem, if not, my target could simple deny the suggestion because it doesn’t fits His/Her thoughts.

So spiritual influence is when we receive and ACCEPT an idea that a spirit sent us because it resonates at our mind even in a very deep level almost unconscious. This is why Allan Kardec states that we own our minds. The main problem is that we not always really know ourselves.

Possession is when this thought exchange with acceptance between sender and receiver become permanent and dangerous that after some time they become so bonded that is quite impossible to know which act comes from the incarnated person and which one does not.

Some instruments used by low level spirits in order to influence us are our guilt feelings, and any bad felling they could manage to find at us.

Hence the solution can come from psychological help, and medications along with a gathering of spiritual knowledge.

Psychology: Work with the guilt and fear
Medicine: Can change the brain chemical balance in order to difficult the tuning process.
Spiritual Knowledge: Will allow the change at our behavior in order to eliminate de traits of our personality which had opened the doors to the possession process.

Usually after a successful “anti possessive healing” booth the spirit (possessor) and the person (possessed) get to a clearer understanding of live and become more lucid minds.  
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Reply #32 - Nov 13th, 2006 at 5:54am
 
Hi everyone  Smiley

Albert; yes Freud had his bit to say about the Id as well.  If I am correct to say this; Freud debased most of Jung's work by concentrating on sexual drive motivating the Id (I think this frustrated Jung quite a bit - excuse the pun) My understanding of Freud's work is from here on the Ego was viewed as an 'urge' or 'beast' which had to be controlled and even supressed; completely taking away from the true nature of the ego.  That is; our ego is precious to us - it needs to be recognised in us and strenghtened to become strong in order to withstand the said influences which Dave and Kardec have spoken about in this thread.

In my pov; Freud - although making ground work in his own right in speaking about sexual motive behind most action, lowered this emotion together with the ego, to a common denominator.  And maybe it is here we see the influence he had on organised religion saying 'sex is sinful' etc.  In turn making people feel alienated from a natural emotion. Therefore not being able to reconcile God and Love together.

But there is a difference between love and lust.  And the churches are not wrong in saying sustain; Aids being a proof of this liberalism.   So the churches are correct in that they could see sexual activity becoming a demon.  However, I believe it is the structure of our society which cripples our expression of this graceful, natural love and touch which is wanted and needed by most people.  Who in turn supress this feeling and in turn it manifests into lust.

Together with a moneyless society .. I think the family structure should be re-viewed.  And here the tribal community idea may be far more relaxing on the whole being.  Young men stay together, young women stay together, elder men together and elder women together.  Each contributing to the community in their own way.  The children being looked after as one group by the young women and taught by the wise elders.  Marriage and child bearing would still happen but after serious consideration made by the whole community.

lol .. oops getting a bit off subject now with 'my world' - like it would happen in this day and age! 
Anyway enjoyed all that everyone has said.

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Reply #33 - Nov 14th, 2006 at 4:22pm
 
Caryn:

It is interesting that you bring up the subject of sex. I'm not a prude, but I do believe that lust and love are two different things. The only thing the energy of lust cares about is self fulfillment. It does seem to be on the same level as our lower nature urges.

Because my kundalini is awake I have to take special care. My guidance has been sending me messages which suggest that I need to get over my sexual attachments, so that my development moves towards Christ consciousness.  Not to say that I'm a sex maniac; however, I realize that my energy and openess to Christ consciousness is partly blocked by the sexual attachments I have.
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Reply #34 - Nov 15th, 2006 at 4:44am
 
Albert thanks for talking about this.  In is no coincidence we are talking about sex in the month of Scorpio as Scorpio rules the sex and reproductive organs.  The lower manifestation of this emotion showing in lust which at the end of the day leaves one feeling even more emptier than before and the higher side, as Dave said in the post here on love, the spiritual love which has no boundries.   Here in this afterlife state we love all the spiritual bodies of the person.

What you have said Albert is so special and profound; we do experience and feel this emotion of love quite intensively in the physical plane maybe because we have this love inside us that wants to overflow and share with another person.  However, you are so right in saying you have to take special care - it is a form of discpline, quite a strict one, for if one got lost in lust how can Christ enter with sacredness. 

This makes me think of how great the love will be in the afterlife if here it is generally just lust.  Sometimes a big hug in the physical is far more meaniful and beautiful.

Albert, thanks for your insight.
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