Hi The one reason that made me really think of possesion of the devil,was when i watched The Exorcist,as it was supposed to be a true story,and also The Amitiville horror was supposed to be a true story.

Its films like this supposedly based on real life,that bring some of the thoughts of possesion and the devil into peoples way of thinking.

But God always helps us to win against negative entitys with his love and light.

I had a negative experience myself but i did not get possessed,as Gods love protected me,my prayer i said to God asking for his protection of love and light helped me be strong and get through that experience.

Love and God bless you all  Juditha

The Amityville horror was found to be a hoax. Investigators found numerous inconsistencies with the story. For example, the Lutz's (the family that was supposedly haunted) claimed that hoofprints were made in snow. Investigators found that there wasn't any snow in the area when these footprints were supposedly discovered.

The Lutz's claimed that there was extensive damage to doors and windows. Upon inspection it was found that there was no disturbance to paint and varnish.

Here's a paragraph which explains what really happened.

"The truth behind The Amityville Horror was finally revealed when Butch DeFeo's lawyer, William Weber, admitted that he, along with the Lutzes, "created this horror story over many bottles of wine." The house was never really haunted; the horrific experiences they had claimed were simply made up. While the Lutzes profited handsomely from their story, Weber had planned to use the haunting to gain a new trial for his client, Ronald Defeo. The Lutzes also later admitted that virtually everything they had said about the haunting-and everything in The Amityville Horror-was pure fiction."

Regarding the murders that did happen:
"For his part, Osuna has his own story to tell. He buys Ronald “Butch” DeFeo’s (a person with psychological and drug problems) current story about the murders, assuring his readers that it “is true and has never been made public” (18, 22). DeFeo now alleges that his sister Dawn urged him to kill the entire family and that she and two of Butch’s friends had participated in the crimes.

In fact, Butch maintains that Dawn began the carnage by shooting their domineering father with the .35-caliber Marlin rifle. Butch then shot his mother, whom he felt would have turned him in for the crime, but claims he never intended to kill his siblings. He left the house to look for one of his friends who had left the scene and, when he returned to find that Dawn had murdered her sister and other two brothers, he was enraged. He fought with her for the gun and sent her flying into a bedpost where she was knocked out. He then shot her."

Regarding the true story behind the Exorcist, I've read several articles plus a book about the matter. Even though the book was written by an author who believed in demons etc., there is much within the book which shows that the true story is nothing like the movie and very possibly had nothing to do with demonic possession. I don't remember details such as names etc., but I'll do by best.

Robbie, the person the book and movie is supposedly based upon, was a thirteen year old boy who used to be very close to his aunt. She taught him how use ouija boards etc. After she passed away he made numerous attempts to contact her with an ouija board. Eventually he started to experience poltergeist like activity. A spiritualist came to the house and said it was his aunt. I don't know if she made an accurate reading.

Noises etc were experienced for about ten days before Robbie started to get effected (one would think that a powerful demon wouldn't need so much time). He didn't get possessed around the clock like Linda Blair's character. In fact, in the daytime he did things such as go to school (not throughout the whole affair) and he had discussions about Catholicism with the priest he worked with. One would think that a person who is possessed by powerful demon wouldn't be able to do such things. There were a couple of occasions where Robbie said its over, only to report differently during the night. Is possession a 24/7 thing or a now or then thing?

The main priest that was involved with the case said that he believed demonic possession was involved because he was required by his faith to make this conclusion (so much for intuitive insight).

Regarding the markings that appeared on his body, there are mixed reports. Some say that evil markings mysteriously appeared on his body. One report said that a man caught Robbie make a marking. Some reports say that people saw nothing but rashes. At one point "no school today" appeared on Robbie's body. Think about this one.

Even if such markings appeared on Robbie's body without him making them externally, it is possible that his subconscious mind caused them to appear. Hypnotists have found that they can cause people to do such things. I wouldn't be surprised if Robbie was just simply visited by a spirit that used to be human, he (Robbie) heard about demons and such from the priest who worked with him, took on a belief system accordingly, and then his subconscious mind caused the markings to appear. Even if a spirit visisted him and caused the markings to occur, there is no evidence whatsoever that something such as a demon was involved. Just as physical satanists can write and say heretical things, so could a confused spirit who used to be human.

One other point. Whatever it is that caused Robbie to go throught the difficulty he went through, none of the people that were around him and tried to help him were troubled by an evil spirit. One would think that if something such as armies of darkness exist, the demon that supposedly troubled Robbie would've called for reinforcements.  

I'm not saying that hauntings never occur. But I believe it is a mistake to believe what Hollywood has to say about them, and to assume something such as demons are involved.

P.S. Is this  a demon or a smiley face with an attitude problem?


 

Yep, Alysia..I've noticed that too!   Awesome connectedness..

Greetings,

Re: Dave and recover's comments about not needing to have these negative spirits around and helping them to the Light--

I did some reflecting and found myself to have a rather arrogant attitude about these low level spirits, not helpful as suggested. So I wanted to change and began a dialog with any that might be around, asking them why they didn't look for the Light anymore. About six of them had various responses--they'd given up, they thought their low life was more fun, yada yada, one was beligerent.   "Hearing' their responses I found I really did care about them and got 5 to eventually rise into the Light;  only one I had to 'see not there.'

Perhaps I'll do this again every so often. There was no wave of PUL and Light in response, like after retrievals, but I did feel lighter, as that woman Dave mentioned said.
Thanks, Dave!  Thanks, recoverer!

Betsi

Awesome Betsi!

Thanks recovere for that information concerning both of those stories ,good to know they are not true love deanna

recoverer wrote on Nov 7^th, 2006 at 1:47pm:



...and for another opinion, I would suggest reading Hostage to the Devil and also learning more about the immense empirical investigations involved in true exorcism cases, not the "hollywood" stuff or televangelist stuff.   

This is not a subject to be taken lightly, and while I respect other people's right to believe, as that is a part of freewill, I think that it is dangerous to 100% discount even the remote possibility that there could be truth to some of these things.

and to clear up one inaccuracy regarding Roman Catholic rite exorcists..they are not required by faith to conclude that something is a demonic possession.  that is absoutely not true...this is something I have direct knowledge and access on,  and I must correct this.

Rather, the contrary is true.  They are trained to be exceedingly skeptical and a true exorcism involves massive amounts of scientific and empirical investigation before it ever moves to a stage to be considered a true case of possession.  I can speak with certainty about this as I happen to directly know individuals with direct knowledge of exorcism procedures and cases, and I have done alot of research into this area.  Many cases involving tremendous phenomena are actually ruled out as being possible possession cases...psychological studies are involved, and things that can be duplicated by hypnotists and such are not "clinchers" when determining a possible possession case.  Only when all possible explanations are exhausted (and this includes phenomena like things being raised up on skin, etc.) is it even considered to be possibly a legitimate case. 

When the hypnotists can reproduce what actually occurs in true cases of possession, then I will lend more credence to other possibilities.  So far, no hypnotist on earth can reproduce some of the phenomena that occurs in some cases I have been privy to information on.

Hi All, and wishing everyone all the best on this fine evening. I really enjoy the great minds we have here,and as I seem to be in most things...I kind of have an eclectic view(s) and can find value and helpful thoughts in taking a bit from everyone,and this is an exciting process of change,and modification of my own journey..and I need and am grateful for every poster's time and energy used into putting their wisdom,experience,and self out there.

Hi there,newwayknight...I am quite new to the site still, and getting to know the place and people bit by bit...anyway...Thanks for the book reference..as it's something up my alley, that I'd love to take a look at...I'm a book fanatic and love finding good reading about these topics..and I too, am wary of discounting or completely stating any of my thoughts as anything like carved in stone..and I've tried hard to use that philosophy with every aspect of my life, if I can, b/c I've seen how dangerous it can be, and easy to get into an 'unteachable' place...and I can only speak from my own personal experience, of course...but life has humbled me it seems over and over with many things I said,"never", or "always", or somehow had a black and white view about...were things that b/c of that thinking it took me a whole lot longer to grasp some basic things that would have sped up my growth eons ago had I only allowed myself to be less rigid.

In my limited experience, as I am only one person,and can only go by what I've experienced, and/or read about, or studied, and blending those things together in a way that was harmonious as it could be....I can say I was relieved to find out the things I did about beings that I labeled as demons...to find the common denominator there was often not what it seemed at first glance..and on the flip side, there have been a few cases at least in my personal experience, that seem to defy the "norm"...and whatever it's called..and ultimately"is"..I know that there are areas in negativity that I am left without any solid conclusion about...and as in all things, too, there's always individual cases....all of us are individual too,in our journeys and development...and I know there are certain things that I have gained a healthy respect for...

I know I've mentioned this before...but I was quite interested actually,but the whole process that I personally went through, with being brought to be exorcised by the church I was brought up in...and it was (although most of the actual details were kept from me,but from what I was able to overhear, and by the things I was told and the way it was explained to me or even the lack of explanation is certain areas) the impression that I got too...it didn't happen as soon as my mom made the first call of concern...but suddenly I was interviewed and seen by elders of the church from near and far...and painfully sorry for the revelations I did make to the pastors(though I know they were well meaning in their intentions, I really feel they were) and I had asked them quite naievely(sp?) questions about the things I thought would be their expertise... and there was some kind of "case" as I recall...but I think it did take quite a bit of effort before I was actually brought to be "exorcised'. In later experiences in my lifetime as an adult, and having come full circle with so many things, but still meeting plenty of colorful people, and had some involvement with a couple "exorcisms"while I was renting at a place that was supposed to be a "healing center", and that was another story...in those cases, it's why I moved out...I didn't want any part of what was really going on, when I found out....so another extreme, and then more genuine  experiences, only a couple, that fell into my lap without me looking for it in any way shape or form...that showed me yet another side to it....and as strange as it is for someone like myself,who loves to analyze things..and intellectualize...strangely enough I'm kind of not too worried anymore,and think that as time goes on, I will have a fuller picture,when and if the time comes that I need to...but I am always open to letting my mind roam about the subject..and have enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts about this..