Hi Randy  Before you go to sleep at night,always ask God to surround you with his protection of love and light,also to leave his blessing on you and the room you are sleeping in,i do this every night ,because i also had an experience similar to yours,thats why i make sure that i say these words to god every night.Hope this helps.

Love and God bless you Randy  Juditha

Hi All!
    I haven't been on the board for a while,. and missed it...it's one of the things I like to do now, to get my mind and soul kind of thinking along the same avenues...it's so easy to become distracted by the smaller pictures, so to speak, and hearing about the bigger one helps me to feel much more grounded and meaningful....if that makes sense..

Anyway Randy, your post struck me rather hard this afternoon..in a good way, b/c I really remember going through this kind of thing...and  for long term periods of time,too. I mean it struck me in a good way,only b/c I finally understand more fully what was happening,at least in my own humble opinion and experience...I was brought up in a way...where I interpreted things in a way that made me very prone to more mischevious entities, or ones that were earthbound, prehaps, forgive the semantics...like when I read about the level states of out of body, I realised there were levels if you will, but still am not familiar with the numbers or what have you to them...but my feeling was that whatever the entities around me were...they had to at least be very fearful and confused and in great distress themselves, in order to project that kind of fear into anyone...and you're right,it IS a choice....I hate sounding trite, but "God helps those who help themselves" comes into mind...not in a punitive way...but in a free will kind of way, we decide when we've had enough, in a way.....though I hate to make it sound so "simple" b/c when I was inside of it, I felt like I was doomed forever, and the experiences were very sickening feeling in nature, and real, heavy weights on my chest in near sleep, the feeling that someone was trying to take residence in my sleeping body...the voices, often mocking and the overwhelming feelings once our own fear is triggered...it's tough to keep your "head"about you...and  I remember calling on the name of Jesus, as some well-meaning people told me to do...and had a bit of success...and then it had no effect, and I was very hurt to hear, "Well, your faith is weak then...ect...etc" or that I must be wanting them to stay around...etc...and it shook up the foundations of my faith in anything...much less myself....and the entities harassing me at the time,loved that....that it took me very long to see the power, or solution was inside of me all along, in the place I had the least amount of faith in,at the time...lol....

I realise this can be a loaded topic...but I really know that feeling of being so....heavy and "down" for lengthy periods of time...and it's very real. I finally found, for myself, anyway, b/c it's the only one I can speak for...that the earthbound spirits, or beings deprived(self deprived almost surely) were really relying on my fear and despondency for "fuel"...or for energy..and that I was in fact, reinforcing their faulty beliefs of themselves and of myself, by being stuck in that cycle, of fear,dread, and fear again.......yuck...

I went through stages of terror,almost always around in some form..and then, believing my faith was too small, and trying to strengthen that...but always looking outside myself for the real help...and then I went into fighting mode...I fought, with some small successes, but it always came back, in new ways, having found all my weaknesses,and personal fear triggers...and found that fear and anger were similar, and that I was again, unintentionally "feeding" these negative feeling entities with my anger as well...as long as they had something to scare, or infuriate, they were reinforced...and I started feeling damned.....

My own story is obviously too long to fit in a neat nutshell here...lol...but one day I had the "realization" that started working for me,personally, and I was able to get back to my original states of being....and I was able to then really grow, be free to grow and learn, and experience things other than the illusions of fear and a kind of "hell" which to me was absence from the light,or truth, or love.Anyway....I suddenly had the thought,that whatever I wanted to call it,demons, devils, my own fear, lost souls...whatever I wanted to call them,if they were bent on making me believe they were evil, so be it...all I knew was that all life, everything, in my belief system....has been created from the same divine spark, or source....and in that case...they must be terribly lost, and terribly miserable themselves to be involved with these things...when they have an entire universe to explore,and their own growth they could be concerned with...etc..

Believe it or not...I started to feel sad for  such beings..and I began to confront them, instead of hell vs. heaven,God vs.the Devil...and started to think, wow, what an unfortunate way to be....as I had always kind of looked forward to the time when I won't be bound by an earth body....and the more I bought into what they were trying to tell me, the more I realised it had to be their own beliefs holding them in such a place, b/c who would really pick suffering and being stuck in a narrow dark reality? And this is how I first started unofficially doing the things people call here as "retrievals"...without knowing better,I only made my mind up that no matter how terrifying or convincing they seemd to be...I would instead of "fighting" them "with God's love"....(it didn't fit that love and fighting would be compatible anyway)...lol...I would try to love them the best way I understood,and would focus and tell whatever I felt or saw around me that I knew the truth of who and what they really were...that they were no different than me, or anything(one) in existence, since we all came from the same divine spark,the center of us all, is a part of that,and therefore even if I didn't understand everything, or why they were what they were now...that in that case, I need to project love and healing towards beings like this,more so than almost any others, b/c they were so apart from their roots,and had obviously bought into a faulty belief system as well. I knew what that could do just in my earthly life now....and that's when everything changed for me.It wasn't always easy to do that, to try and embrace even, and I keep imagining the light in the very center of me as bright, clean, and healthy, and pouring out love, first starting this of by thinking off all the things I easily can love, like my kids,my dog, family...etc...and then worked on the art of loving...and incredibly,what was going on for years,stopped, or changed gears at least,and I was freed myself,from having to experience this oppressive energy when what I too wanted, was love.....

I realize this may either sound confusing or simplistic...but it was a major turning point for me...and I was so amazed when I found this site, and started reading about these things,and finding words for experiences...and also finding a very supportive group of people here to talk to..I'm adding alot of richness to my life by sharing things like this with others..and it was good to read your experience.....

I cannot say for sure, but I know with me, I am and always have been very senstive to the "unseen"...and I sometimes wondered, if these experiences I had, and got through... like with my spiritual searching.....were in a small part b/c of that....b/c the energies kind of displaced and looking for strength will be like moths to a flame; I bet to sensitives...b/c they can affect those who are so much better...and I cannot tell you how grateful I am to be out of those kinds of grips now....anyway...that's my long-winded two cents,and I hope to hear more from you in the future.....

Hi,
I'm not as psychic sensitive as some others here, but have sometimes feelings of a threat from entities/ghosts, especially at night when I go to sleep. I then do some little protection rituals, imaginations of a shield around me, of white light, and of a portal of light where stuck earthbound souls might/should go to, or I simply ask for help. It works. If someone is a Christian, or just raised up in a Christian surrounding, then, when saying "Jesus Christ" all associations of this name, like wiseness, humanity, saviour, are evoked, as this is all contained in this name; it's like a magic spell for those to whom Jesus has a meaning.

Karmickiss, your post shows the great learning potential soul retrievals have for the retriever (and of course a good service for those stuckies).


Spooky

Greetings,

I wonder if that "state of terror" Randy speaks of has an extremely chaotic energy field where higher Helpers cannot cross, where we can't even help ourselves. The terror mires the soul in a bramble bush that pricks with a dozen barbs while one is attempting to deal with only one. 
Such a chaotic field could also become a beacon/magnet for chaotic beings, disturbed/'evil' ones. They feed on their own kind of energy.
It's that extreme level of disturbance and chaos that is terrifying to all beings of love, including the victim, because Love is the opposite of terror/chaos/fear.
So maybe if one's voice is quaking with fear and terror, demanding the removal of the 'evil' spirits is not convincing for the long term, so the terror-feeders just come back later.  The terror of the host has to subside before (s)he can get through to higher help, Self or other.

Randy, I just described what i experienced that seems related to what you experienced. I'm sory you had such a long time of trouble but I think it's over now. You could also use every opportunity you have to learn about Pure Unconditional Love/ PUL; that's helped me immensely. There's alot of PUL in Bruce's books and on these boards! You could also try avoiding using terror for entertainment, like from movies, 'news,' etc. You're already feeling better, right, so you're on the right path now!

Wonderful Recoverer, you are so fortunate to have not experienced that terror for so long, that at first you say that it could not happen, but then you seem to change your point of view.   It's certainly a plight in tune with all stuck souls needing retrievals. On either side of the veil!  I think examples of this are in Bruce's writings, but I can't think of the exact reference right now.

Love, Bets

A passing note on regression technique - Karmakiss sounds like a budding healer. Lots of insight. Spooky sees it too, evidently. Bets and Recoverer are certainly correct, but there's a subtlety here that seems to have been overlooked. Or maybe I just didn't pick up on it.

The few souls that have explained to me how they got into the demon business generally said that they had been told that if they could continue to bother people, then so long as they did that they would not die. So the attachment and nuisance value was an attempt to sve themselves, just as Bets said.

How that works is that our minds seem to be "open" on some level - and those parts that are identical to the minds of the frightened spooks are, in principle, indiscriminable from them. Thus, the spooks attach to those parts, typically strong negative emotions, and then try to stir up some more fear in order to get a better grip. They can't actually "do" anything - but they can be a bother, since they get frightened when we try to evict them, and they oftebn increase their efforts to cling by becoming even more frightening etc. In this sense, an exorcism often can send one of these guys into a fearful onlooker, which is bad for both of them.

The solution is just what Karmakiss suggested - realize that these are freaked out and existentially fearful beings that are terrified about being killed off without even a lingering trace of ectoplasm. As they lose the ability to be frightening, they begin to feel as if their existence is at risk. So instead of challenging them in a "You can't scare me," style, it's easier to send them a certain amount of compassion, "I sense that you are upset, and I wish you to understand that no matter who or what you believe yourself to be, you are still lovable and valuable."  Then you can ask about their history, what was their last recollections of life like, where did they live, how did they die and so on. This takes them out of the "here and now attack mode" and back into an sot of everyday relaxation where they can converse. Next, with really stubborn spooks I often ask, "Do you have any old friends - trustworthy friends - whoi are dead and in the light?" Of course they do. "Great. Ask your frirnd if it's a safe place for you to go too." This is generally a new idea. "OK, if they say that it's OK to go there, go and have a look. I'll let you return if you really don't like it." That's a better deal than they've been offered in the past, so most go off to check it out and of course they gain understanding and remain. One rare occasions being in the light can return, but they are never maleavolent - they just want to drop in and say "Hi" or help with a project or offer to be a guide etc. However, they do not "stick" like the original entities, because they now have abandoned the need to fear, since the light offers rebirth in every aspect.

The difference between this specific type of entity work and the release of entities stuck in between the astral and earthbound levels that Bruce writes about is only that the kind of attachment differs slightly. Earthbound entities often attach to pride (like the actor who was ashamed refused to get up after having aheart attack on stage), will to complete a task (like the tank driver who just kept on driving). or confusion (the drowning man who clung to his bit of board for years) and so on. These are mostly confused beings, but they have not begun attachment to others. Instead, they remain attached to the last significant item of their world, and they bend their world into a closed system, a BST, which prevents seeing beyond it, but which ensures that they will continue their self-preservative efforts.

I worked with a woman named Susan who was very compassionate and would literally pick up dead spirits along the road as she went through life. She wound up becoming a "transfer medium", with one foot  on earth and the other in spirit, picking them up here, and dropping them off there.

That's the type of image that removes the need for the entities to feel threatened. "There's a better place to go, it has been completely explored, and is safe. Besides, you can have your arms back, or regrow your head, or whatever is needed. It is a place of total forgiveness and love. And you can be with your friends again, and without ever needing to encounter your old enemies."

PUL
dave

Yes, definitely,
you posters here have described a state of mind+soul I hope to be in more constantly. You all who were here a year ago pulled me out of the 'briarpatch' then, and you, Karmickiss, are added inspiration. 

What i was meaning was to acknowledge to DoGhOuSe that in that early stage, one can find it very difficult to get free, but not to give up.

Cheers 
bets

Hi everyone - back to haunt you  kidding!

I'm wondering; these spirits that latch onto and into the physical plane; whether they are complete spirits - that is do they have their I (Ego) with them or are they a fragment of their Ego's needing retriving by their I together with helpers?

There seems to be two common classifications of Spirits.  (Maybe more sure)
The first is the above maybe called 'wandering and lost spirits' and the second is spirit/soul's who have 'gone home' and came back to check things out in the Earth plane?

The first are confused fragments; with or without an Ego? who need human help and the second are complete with Ego who are not so lost and confused who could help us?

PUL
Caryn