I'm assuming that most of you have read Robert Monroes books, if you haven't then get with the program. But for anyone who totally understands his theorys on the higher self and reincarnation, i have a question thats been bugging me. After our life here on earth when we choose to join our higher self once again, do we retain our own personal conscienceness, or do we have a new conscienceness of our higher self. I ask this because i know he claims that we have many different personalitys and sub beings that compose of our higher self. So is this life we are living now the only one we will ever live on Earth? Or can one sub conscienceness live multiple lives on earth? I know that in theory we live multilple lives on earth, but those are all total different personalities than our individual selves. I ask this because I really dont want to end up in another body some day waking up as a new born, when this life on earth is over I'd like to be chillin up in the big focus27 or with my higher home slice.  I want to realize what I really am, which will happen when I leave earth. But I dont want to have to forget it all again.

OutOfBodyDude,

I don't think it's time yet for you to tell the members of this board to "get with the program"  for any reason, let alone, of all things, Monroe's books. Such arrogance skews judgement and inhibits learning, which is one reason you're here, right?

Rob

OutOfBodyDude,

>> After our life here on earth when we choose to join our higher self once again, do we retain our own personal conscienceness, or do we have a new conscienceness of our higher self.  <<

Your question assumes that at some point you became a consciousness that was separated from your higher self, something you are labeling "our own personal consciousness."  Perhaps a key to understanding what Monroe is trying to describe is in understanding that such separation is impossible.  It would be like my big toe perceiving itself within perspective in which it is all itself that exists, and then claiming it was separated from the rest of my body.   You and I would say that is nonsense, if my big toe was truly separated from the rest of my body it would cease to exist as a big toe.  My big toe's perception of separation is a self imposed illusion induced by the choice of perspective my big toe chooses to perceive itself within.  What would that imply about who and what we really are?

Perhaps what you describe as our own personal consciousness is just your higher consciousness viewing itself from the perspective of one of its individual expressions, a sort of narrowed, small view perspective?  Perhaps choosing "to join our higher self once again" is just a matter of the higher self choosing to view itself from a much larger perspective?

Bruce

Yes, it's a figure of speech. That it has more than one well known interpretation is also obvious. It's his responsibility to be clear. No one should have to guess what he means. Nonetheless, if indeed he meant well then I apologize.

Rob

where your attention goes defines what you  are looking for...seek... why not?  and so does it matter what others think...maybe.. then explore this and all the feelings involved... and perhaps many other doors will open..feed back loops are necessary...sometimes we don't recognize them immediately

Hi Bruce-
A split into 5 independent viewpoints! That's fascinating! Bardo Thodol is verified. (I personally group yogis and mediums like yourself as one.)

My wife claims to have a single viewpoint, with 4 additional inner scenarios that tend to externalize at times. I personally haven't experienced that. But looking into cosmological ideas I find that there is a moderately well supported notion among some physicists that reality arises from an initial pair-wise eigenstate, which iterates as a complexion. My interpretation suggests that a 2-space thus iterates to a 3-space and that iterates to a 7-space,. That gives our ordinary balanced 3-space everyday Gallilean world, plus 4 alternative degrees of freedom, which I identify with the the dynamic energy-momentum 4-vector. If we use each extra degree of freedom as a locus of personality, plus the initial 3-space state, we can get five viewpoints out of this.

Years ago, I demonstrated that the iterated complexion sequence is a valid model for generation of creative ideas (made a good PhD thesis, r=.9 typ, p<0.001), but I have no experience with the idea as an experiential or perceptual state. Yours is the first report that might favor this type of explanation. I'm really intrigued. The inferences, with respect to the modalities of our existence,  might include reproducible concepts about all manner of exteriorizations and exotic states.

I'm very interested in your thoughts about possible mechanisms.

Wow! This is exciting stuff!

dave

Thanks for your input everybody. Yeah what I said get with the program it was just a little joke, don't lynch me. You guys helped a lot especially Bruce, thanks a lot.

Great thread everyone! I know I'll be looking over this one a few more times...and it's interesting,I've been doing some reading of my own lately(nothing new or earthshattering in itself), but kind of refreshing alot of information..and I love the way that after a lifetime(admittedly, only 32 yrs this time,lol) of gathering info from many sources,it never get's"old" for me, but more interesting still. Mr.Monroe being one of those authors I couldn't get enough of,though I need a refresher, working on it,typically I might read more than one book at a time,....glutton that I can be with things of this nature... and there's that feeling that I get,when reading things that  to me are my "truths"and who knows how that will progress and grow,exciting stuff indeed!...But,as I was saying,the things that really seem to reverberate in my very soul when I read them...like "Ah ha"moments,but more like,"Oh yeah",are the things I hold onto, and I am amazed at how now,my perception from ten years ago,let's say to now is so different in one way...all of a sudden,so many of the things that really jumped out at me...still do,but back then I'd think,"Wait,that contradicts this thing or that"...but now,I'm having this wonderful experience of finding that everything is compatible,at least with the things I picked up along the way as my favorite ideas and views.....okok...don't want to sprial into a small novel again

I won't even pretend to be able to give a definitive answer to anything..but I too, have had several experiences of simultaneous realities, in a way..and being able to carry on conversations with "selves"..hmmm going to have to think long and hard before going into that....b/c it's difficult to articulate it,esp.when I'm open to different possibilities or combinations of...but I do feel at least,that we do have much say about this,where we want to take our own journey and such...and many times I've said to myself,"What,?! did I come back too fast, or what is this??I surely wouldn't have 'chosen' to come back here,if I was sane anyway.....what did I do in a past life that I'm paying for...etc...etc"..but then,deep down inside,I have this sure feeling that I did choose to come back,and alot of reading I've done seems to support this...that once we are able to see things more clearly,we see we can speed up our evolution, for one thing, by choosing to come back here...and I believe anyway, that when I feel this(lifetime) is taking waaayyy too long, that on the other side, there is a much different sense of time as well...but...like everything,it's the nature of my personal reality, and dosen't have to fit in with anyone elses...I cannot help but think that it's a very good thing that someone would even ask themselves these things, and that energy in itself,will find you your own personal answers, and that's awesome...that's why I love this board, b/c I can kind of mull over thoughts with others that think of the same types of things..

One book I've been reading is a book on channeling and our guides...and it's a short,easy read,that also mentions our higher self as well...even saying some prefer to channel their higher self...though I'm not finished it yet,so won't say too much. Another concept I seem to keep stumbling on is the idea that some souls "split"and live lifetimes in different bodies(same spark or soul),to speed up or enrich our learning process, and however that might sound, I can see it, and it would actually explain alot to me personally..but not to digress too much..I always felt it must be my higher self, that "identifies" with the spiritual reading,and encourages my searching and reading about it...

Speaking of this very topic of splitting...and having been a psychology major and working in that field for several years and from certain life experiences (I remember hearing "psychology" literally meant,"study of the soul") I was always and still am fascinated with the topic of MPD or more recently known as DID(Multiple Personality disorder,or Dissociative Identity Disorder) and how that works......b/c of the way the more core personalities esp.seem to have their own personal way and energy about them....at least I have the hope that as long as I'm living,I'll always have something to learn, and search out info and ideas on....thanks for yet more interesting food for thought...