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Reply #15 - Nov 5th, 2006 at 1:01am
 
Great topic. Monroe saw his future self one time, I think his future self was even aware of him! lol. I did too. yea it was real, I called it dual consciousness but there definetely was two forms, two viewpoints in two forms looking at each other and talking. its funny looking back, but was not funny in the least while it was happening. its something u never forget throughout your life; like a program running in your back hard drive, and you're always asking, now just what was that all about and what am I supposed to do with that info? I knew exactly what to do with what she told me to do. she frankly told me to open up. I was pretty closed down, like having a withdrawal from life I was. I mean, you would take yourself seriously if yourself was up in your face telling u whats coming down in a nice friendly sort of way, wouldn't you?
I remember the cause of the split. I had been sitting around thinking about obe and how some people can get outside their body and look at that lump in the bed and say wow thats me, I wanted to do one better though, I wanted to look into my own face as in a 3 D perspective. looking in the mirror at yourself is just not the same as seeing a 3d image, body, form and vanity was part of it, I wondered how other people viewed me in 3d, or if what I saw in the mirror was false; I didn't think just that desire to see what others saw would make it come true. I do remember getting excited about the idea of that happening though. I think excitement can sometimes help us accomplish these exeriences. then, I forgot all about I'd been thinking about those things so it was a surprise when it happened, but like I'd received a gift because I always cherished the memory of seeing this other me who had absolutely no problems that I had, and she was cool, she didn't judge me, she just shook her head a little sadly, lol, as if to say, you are really not treating me very well to hide from me and ignore me like you are, I just want to get to know you..

what she said was this was how people saw me, as closed down. that was a little hard to accept but I saw she was correct and I certainly didn't change overnight into her even though we were already one.

thanks KarmicKiss, I always enjoy your posts, and thanks to OutofBodyDude starting it up. heres a big sloppy kiss Kiss


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Reply #16 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 12:33am
 
just wanted to add a few more thoughts to this thread before it gets washed away into the archives of infinity never to be heard from again Undecided

I remember some opening lines in Bruce's books about how he set off to find out who he was and what he was.  I was thinking YEA! YEA! thats what its all about. do u think it will take a whole lifetime? probably since I believe we never stop or have an end point to say its done.
now considering how threatening that can be or confusing..to have this overview where you're hearing yourself involved in five different conversations as five different viewpoints, or people. would it not obliterate who u think u are right here and now?
would u not be crashing on a daily basis maybe? possibly, but thankfully we have been given the means to blink out of those realitys and ground ourselves into our comfort zones once more.
I think experiences that give such an overview to who and what we are tend to cast our thoughts in the direction that we are more than we think we are. then if you keep thinking this way it leads into a mind that becomes the collector of such thoughts and opens us up to not the "less than" thoughts but the "more than" thoughts, like a rote, and it builds and to put it simply, if u don't make it, u know your baby will, thats a serene thought of love I think about sometimes.

and if I don't make it, whatever it is, that other me over there will. Smiley
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Reply #17 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 1:59am
 
The question that is aroused in my mind is in the fact that we chose to leave our higher level of conscienceness to be hear on earth, To experience things on earth that cannot be experienced anywhere else. That is the main goal of why we are here. So even though it is exciting to experiment with what is really out there, it may throw some people off of their true meaning in this life on earth. The goal is to focus on things here and now, not out there beyond space and time. I admit, it is enlightening to be able to experience these great things like OBEs and retrievals. I wouldnt be the same with out the knowledge i have, it is important to realize were more than the physical. But its more important to have the best experience possible here on earth, because we are always going to be able to mess around out there after this life is over. I guess what Im saying is I think its better to take care of things in this world before becoming obssessed with the real deal out there. There are some exceptions, such as Bruce and Monroe, who it seems main goals in life is to expose others to realities beyond this world. Im not telling anyone what to do, just expressing some thoughts. Of course if your mad at reading this youll probably say, well your here right your obviously into things not of this world. Yeah, but I focus on the real world first, this is just play time.  Grin
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Reply #18 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 9:32am
 
Greetings,  Smiley
Yes, that does make me a bit angry.   Roll Eyes
So then, why are you continuing to post questions here, OOBD?
And take advantage of people's time and interest?
Many of us consider the retrieval work to be an extension of loving others, resolving situations where previous love had not been adequately supplied. Have you tried it yet?
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There are some exceptions, such as Bruce and Monroe, who it seems main goals in life is to expose others to realities beyond this world. Im not telling anyone what to do, just expressing some thoughts. Of course if your mad at reading this youll probably say, well your here right your obviously into things not of this world. Yeah, but I focus on the real world first, this is just play time.   


I feel there is no greater service to others than to retrieve them if they are stuck in the afterlife. This is not an obsession with me. This is one of the reasons that I am in this life. This was in my before life this time planning/blueprint. I am being true to myself.  I was led to Bruce's books and TMI by my Guardian Angel Azrael who just happens to be the Archangel who accompanies everyone into the afterlife. Should I go against my life plan?

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Reply #20 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 3:06pm
 
Hi OOBD-
The question that some of us are asking is exactly where the "real world" leaves off and the "play time stuff" begins. Is the "interlife phase" a normally accessible interval that we generally have overlooked, or is it perhaos the core experience and we're stuck out here in neverland trying to get home?

For example, where does the "you" end? At the interior of your psyche? Or do "you" extend to fill your skin? Ot do you also include your clothing? And then maybe the vehicle you drive, or you home, or your city etc. Does the energy of your existence end at a neuronal synapse in your head, or does it exteriorize into the surrounding space, or does it continue to include everything that you have ever done and all the stuff with which you have interacted?

Then there's the questiojn about how it works. Do we live in a world defined by wholly physics, or are there some loose ends that allow unusual thngs, like Bruce's 5-viewpoint exteriorization that suggested to me a 4-vector generated out of everyday 3-space (the space is valid, it's actually the dual vector space to our 3-space plus its cross, rather than the M-E 4-vector - error on my part due to being excited etc). To discover this allows (in my own case) clinical applications that can deal with inner urges and past lifetimes more effectively than current materialistic behavioral psychology. (Besides, it's fun to upset the sacred cows of orthodoxy.)

And then there's the bottom line, that it's actually fun to rescue stuck souls an to poke about in the inner workings of the spiritual spaces surrounding us. Perhaps, were we able to understand them better, we could continue a normal lifetime  into a more elaborate world at the end of this life. Or maybe, as appears to be the case, we might simple merge back into the Creative Essence from which all this came, and not have to return.

I suggest that you can use this forum for any purpose you desire. And you'll notice that it has people of all levels of education, psychic skill and interest area.  Perhaps one of the most important things that it offers is a sounding board for each of us to use as we figure out the questions about life that we otherwise are unable to ask, because we lack a responsive audience. At the same time, this is a place where it is fully appropriate to question things - My discovery is that in every case, there will be someone who does something better, someone who does them worse, someone wiser, someone not as wise, and lots of peers who are muddling along in the middle ground.

So welcome - Enjoy.

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Reply #21 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 8:09pm
 
OutOfBodyDude,

Experiencing the afterlife (and experiencing all other paranormal stuff) from our vantage point of our physical existence is still experience.  It is unique in that perspective and isn't the same as doing it after we die.  Being in a physical life doesn't only have to mean you focus on everyday stuff in the physical world.  That would get too boring!  We need balance.  I also look at my spiritual side as part of who I am, and denying my interests and curiosities wouldn't be fair to me.  There is balance in everything.  There are plenty of people to help run the world, and one person can't do all and be all.  Also, take into consideration that we are not the same person our entire lifetime.  We change as we grow and learn.  There's purpose in that. 

We are multidimensional beings, so it's not like living life here means we've abandoned another part of existence to be here.  It's not like, oh I could be out "there" doing so many greater things but instead I'm living this silly little life.  We are all doing other things, this life is just one of them.  There is a greater design to it all that you are not aware of at the moment.  This lifetime is just a blink of an eye compared to the bigger picture.   

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Reply #22 - Nov 6th, 2006 at 11:33pm
 
Lately I have focused on myself mostly in my meditations and what is getting stronger is the feeling, or the increasing certainty, that I'm free to do what I want here- no helper is telling me what I have to do, this seems to be a principle, at least in my case.  So, when one has no reliable source for telling one what to do, you just do what you like and what seems right, and that includes of course to not get obsessed too much in anything because it reduces the learning as well as the fun.

Meditation, exploring, to stick with this "etheric" stuff and transcendent things, as well as religion, is providing a framework to interprete the physical world. Everyone has such a framework, and it's just natural to work on this framework- the physical world alone "says" nothing, it's all about what it means to each of us.

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Reply #23 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 9:18am
 
thats true Spooky; about the framework. my experience is the same as yours, that over the years I slowly began to realize there was no one to tell me what I should or could do or express, that we have this freedom of creation of our ideals. u just do what you like. I agree. it was a revelation and also makes the music sound better. Smiley

one of ACIM's affirmations was: "I have given all the meaning to this here chair (insert any object) that I can."

(joke coming.) after that I realized I would not take my new couch with me when I died and that was a hilarious thought somehow, just until I realized there was a duplicate of the same couch on the other side which could appear solid if I wished.
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