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Reply #15 - Nov 1st, 2006 at 6:34am
 
I don't think theres any end time coming, the earth maybe in transition but that dose not mean were all doomed. There will be through this time many natural disasters, and those who are meant to transition will. I sometimes feel this type of conversation leads know where fast, it has the ability to defocus some, so as they take the attitude of why try if where all going to die anyway, when the truth is we must focus on our journeys and work through our issues.

We all have issues, thats why we incarnated in the first place to do the work required. I've been a work in progress for so long now, when something new comes up for me I've begun to think, God when will it end. I've even got to the stage where I bore myself with all this stuff. But as I've said this is what I came here for and I'm not one to let the team down. So III at least know when I transition I've put my best effort in.Don't want to be disappointed at my life review.
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Reply #16 - Nov 1st, 2006 at 10:57am
 
Well said, LightR_on, and I completely agree with you 100 percent.  

Life is what it is. Today is the day that matters. Smiley

We make a difference, each of us, by what we do and say each day, for ourselves and others, and we each have a new opportunity every time we open our eyes in the morning.

When I listen to others bemoan this or that, the state of the world, the tragedies to come, the "futility" of it all, it is in my nature to sometimes automatically follow those thoughts into a downward spiral. But then I realize that "I" am not the downward spiral unless I choose to be.

And when I fall unconsciously into a downward spiral myself, in my thoughts or words, I depend on others to help lift me up. All that matters is that we be there for each other, live and learn...we'll find our way.

In my opinion, love, blink
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Reply #17 - Nov 1st, 2006 at 12:14pm
 
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Well said, LightR_on, and I completely agree with you 100 percent. 

Life is what it is. Today is the day that matters. Smiley

We make a difference, each of us, by what we do and say each day, for ourselves and others, and we each have a new opportunity every time we open our eyes in the morning.

When I listen to others bemoan this or that, the state of the world, the tragedies to come, the "futility" of it all, it is in my nature to sometimes automatically follow those thoughts into a downward spiral. But then I realize that "I" am not the downward spiral unless I choose to be.

And when I fall unconsciously into a downward spiral myself, in my thoughts or words, I depend on others to help lift me up. All that matters is that we be there for each other, live and learn...we'll find our way.

In my opinion, love, blink



Just to clarify, the individual never has to be in a "downward spirial", but that does not mean that there are not objective realities about the world staring us in the face that will have tremendous impact upon economic conditions and social upheaval.  If you take a step back and look at the world, as I said in my earlier post, you will see undeniably that we are at a very unique time in history unparralleled to any other time..There have always been plagues, disasters, wars, empires, etc. etc but there has never been a secular globalist power as there is today, whether it is the banking networks, the transnational corporations or the governmental structures that are, for the first time, capable of being in control of all nations on the planet.  You can see this in the USA as there are incredible strains occurring as there is increasing advocacy for putting adherence to International Law or UN law to priority over the US constitution.  These strains are present everywhere on the planet, and with the current banking systems in place through the IMF, World Bank, and BIS countries are truly not in control of their own economic situations anymore. 

I am not saying that this is definitive signs of "end times", but it is, in point of fact, a unique and unprecedented time in history and people should always be vigilant and wise to what trends or realities are growing in the world.

Mass poverty on a scale unprecedented and other ills could very well be the result of a small gang living large at the top of the heap, and even if that isn't fulfillment of a prophecy, it will create realities of tremendous burdens and struggles for people just trying to make ends meet who will be too exhausted to focus on spirit.  That is my concern, and one that troubles me greatly.

Social Justice must be paramount and we must be "wise as serpents" when dealing with the "lower vibration" forces out there.

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Reply #18 - Nov 1st, 2006 at 12:29pm
 
I think your perspective is right on, Newwayknight, and your summaries are accurate. Therefore, definitely, social justice continues to be worth striving for, in all arenas which any of us can influence. We all have a part to play in our world, but no one is truly powerless.  I believe that.  

Even at times or in places in which there seems little reason for optimism, I think we each need to do our part, as often as we can. Simple tolerance when that is beneficial, and activism where it is appropriate, if we are able and if we are ready. Spiritually, I think that every voice is heard, no matter what.

To be willing to sacrifice to help another can be as simple as valuing that voice and using it wisely at the right time, in the right place. Many people have shown us that one small voice is a powerful thing.  

That will never change, I suspect.

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Reply #19 - Nov 1st, 2006 at 10:17pm
 
LightRon said:So III at least know when I transition I've put my best effort in.Don't want to be disappointed at my life review
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I think this message was built into my genetic code dear light. well said.
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Reply #20 - Nov 2nd, 2006 at 2:34pm
 
The love in my heart tells me that end time theories are a misrepresentation and misinterpretation of what is in store with God's divine plan.

The love in my heart tells me that God and the beings of love and light who work with him are loving, wise and certainly capable enough to not set things up so that millions, perhaps billions of God's children don't end up in hell for all of eternity.

My common sense and research have shown me that some people have misrepresented what God and beings of love and light say about things such as end times, in order to further their political objectives.

My common sense and research tell me that a lot of people buy into such a way of thinking, because they are afraid that they will end up on the wrong side of the fence if they don't.

I believe that a person would be hard pressed to find even one being of love and light who believes in the doomsday perspective.

I do believe it is possible that there will be some changes. But going by the messages I've received from my guidance they "aren't" going to take place in a doomsday kind of a way. In various ways more love is going to come into the World. When more love comes into the World it will be impossible for the doomsday perspective to continue to a significant extent, because when one is moved by love they'll understand that no way God and his helpers would set things up so that millions/billions of souls end up in hell for all of eternity.

The doomsday way of thinking is so opposite of what actually goes on. Considering how light beings work so hard to help spirits who are stuck in various dark realms, why would they set things up so doomsday has to happen.

It is really sad that people get inspired when they watch the news, because they believe that it is proof that something such as the rapture is going to happen. It is really self centered and selfish to feel estatic about something such as the rapture, when it implies that millions/billions of souls are going to end up suffering in hell for all of eternity. This way of viewing things is so lacking in love.

You can't judge what is going on in the World by the news alone.  They don't tend to tell you about all of the people who know how to live according to love. 




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Reply #21 - Nov 2nd, 2006 at 3:09pm
 
Here's another way of looking at things.

People don't end up doing bad things because they are inately evil. They do so because they become confused. Becoming confused is part of the game while we're down here. We each become confused in our own way. People who become confused so they end up doing bad things, just happen to be people who get involved with negative possibilities. For example, a person who becomes angry after being abused all through his or her childhood.

Sure it's always possible to tune into our inner divinity and find love and light there. But life proves that it isn't always that easy to do so. Each of us gets confused so that instead of looking within, we become angry, afraid and depressed at times to varying to degrees, according to the level of confusion we have developed.

Certainly God and beings of love and light understand this. When they see a brand new baby they understand that such a baby doesn't choose a life of darkness right then and there.  They understand that because the World exists in the manner it now exists, it is very possible that a brand new baby might end up getting confused according to the circumstances that exist, and end up needing their loving help some day when they end up in a dark realm.

If finding the divinity within were such an automatic thing, people wouldn't become confused to the extent they do.

Considering the above, why would God and beings of love and light set things up so that millions/billions of souls end up in hell for all of eternity?

I don't buy the satan argument, because anything that is created by something that is infinite,  is way to finite to stand up to that which created it. For how could something which is finite stand up against something that is infinite?

When it comes to the negative influences that do exist, these are beings who are confused in a dark way, and for the most part they can only influence beings who are already confused in a similar way. For example, if a really mean person handed a clear thinking man a gun and told him to shoot himself in the head, certainly this clear thinking man wouldn't be abliged to do so.
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Reply #22 - Nov 3rd, 2006 at 1:50am
 
I love what you have said here, Recoverer....I, too, find no logic in the idea that a universe designed by a loving Creator would allow any beings to suffer infinite punishment for mistaken beliefs as fallible humans.  By interacting with each other and correcting our mistakes we become beings of greater depth and understanding, and...when you think about it, is a lifetime of an average of 70 years enough for any of us to develop to our greatest potential? For many people it is simply not enough time. I would have to say, for all of us...for is there a man or woman among us who has nothing left to learn in life?

Logically, there simply must be more to this story if we believe in a love that is infinite, and a greater power which creates all that is.

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Reply #23 - Nov 3rd, 2006 at 2:43am
 
Higher Love
Steve Winwood (Winwood/Jennings)


Think about it, there must be higher love
Down in the heart or hidden in the stars above
Without it, life is a wasted time
Look inside your heart, I'll look inside mine
Things look so bad everywhere
In this whole world, what is fair?
We walk blind and we try to see
Falling behind in what could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Where's that higher love I keep thinking of?

Worlds are turning and we're just hanging on
Facing our fear and standing out there alone
A yearning, and it's real to me
There must be someone who's feeling for me
Things look so bad everywhere
In this whole world, what is fair?
We walk blind and we try to see
Falling behind in what could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Where's that higher love I keep thinking of?

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring be a higher love
I could rise above on a higher love

I will wait for it
I'm not too late for it
Until then, I'll sing my song
To cheer the night along
Bring it...Oh bring it...

I could light the night up with my soul on fire
I could make the sun shine from pure desire
Let me feel that love come over me
Let me feel how strong it could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Where's that higher love I keep thinking of?



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Reply #24 - Nov 3rd, 2006 at 7:59am
 
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I love what you have said here, Recoverer....I, too, find no logic in the idea that a universe designed by a loving Creator would allow any beings to suffer infinite punishment for mistaken beliefs as fallible humans.  


I agree. I've read that such a statement that non believers of Christianity for example, would go to hell for all eternity has no basis. Even in the Bible it is a mis-translation of an old text that really says 'eon' or an age, but not eternal. Atleast that's what I've seen in my afterlife research on the WWW
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Reply #25 - Nov 3rd, 2006 at 10:55am
 
Exellent post Doc! I love that song.

I agree also Recoverer & blink. That's something that has always bothered me about the religions. God is love and can only act out of love.
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Reply #26 - Nov 3rd, 2006 at 4:04pm
 
Are animals in the afterlife? What about animals such as cows, chickens, turkeys, fish, etc.? What about our pets? Where do they go when their bodies die?
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Reply #27 - Nov 3rd, 2006 at 4:18pm
 
everything that breads has a spirit,and they all have relm to go to.George
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Reply #28 - Nov 3rd, 2006 at 5:02pm
 
sure, theres animals there, but no cockroaches unless you like them Smiley and no militant flies either.
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Reply #29 - Nov 3rd, 2006 at 5:37pm
 
Thank you Blink and Traveler.

I knew that Steve Winwood has some nice melodies, but I didn't know that he had nice words.  Maybe I should check him out.

Didn't he record a really nice song called "sailing," or something like that?
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