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Belief Systems
Oct 24th, 2006 at 2:18pm
 
When we pass on, will we be able to contact loved ones inhabiting different belief systems than us? If we can, how does this interaction affect the structure of belief systems?

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Reply #1 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 3:22pm
 
yes CA we can contact others in other belief systems and we do it here by doing retrievals. the structure of human consciousness seem to be like layers infiltrating each other. the limits to exploration of these levels or bst's appear to be the limit of one's imagination. I have heard of gatekeepers to regions, or door keepers and whenever I have encountered this, they also appear quite human, and able to engage conversation with them as to my intentions for exploring an area. if I have the right intention they swing wide the door. if the door is shut, it's not time for me to go there.
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Reply #2 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 5:11pm
 
Hi CA-
The only exam[ples I have had from past life regression and spirit world explorations indicate that you have the same abilities as you do now. BUT - if you are unwilling to accept the BST of the others, you can't get through that barrier. Similarly, if your spirit world (being God you create it to your own personal taste) is not acceptable to others, they can't get past their bariers either.

I had one report by a lady who loved her horse, and went to a place where the horse had a pasture and she had a little cottage, all set apart from everything, where nobody ever came because she didn't want it to happen.

Another case, three people who had been playing "Robin Hood" by stealing from the nasty Baron and giving to the impoverished townspeople shared their own private Paradise - isolated from all others.

Seems that you can have it any way you want, and for which you are prepared.

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Reply #3 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 7:40pm
 
Thanks for your replies. Very thought provoking.

So, if one inhabits one of the higher focus levels of which there is much freedom for varied experience, would it be difficult trying to make contact with a loved one that is bound to a more rigid BST amidst some of the lower focus levels? In other words, from a higher focus level vantage point, is it harder to make contact with someone lingering in a lower focus level than it would be for an Earth dweller to make contact with them through retrieval techniques such as the ones taught here? I've read that it is easier to get through to those that are in rigid BSTs via the Earth plane than it is from a higher focus level because of the vibratory levels involved.

I would like to think that no matter what level any of my loved ones are in that I would be able to make contact with them despite BST barriers. I just hope that I will be able to break through some of those barriers when the time comes. (I know that there will be plenty.)

Also, when one is stuck in a particular BST due to beliefs that were held prior to physical departure, will there be an ample supply (no matter what the BST one is bound to) of helpers/guides/angels/etc. to assist in opening the minds of said individual to see the bigger picture/unlimited possibilities that await them? I know that there is a sort of reception area which is form-fitting for each individual's seperate needs/expectations... But, I'm wondering if after the "reception" there is a debriefing of sorts covering the unlimited possibilities that await each individual given their allowance of such possibilities? For instance, how about the following: "Well, now that we've had time to relax and recuperate, how about I explain to you the nature of the reality that you now find yourself in..." "By the way, it doesn't go SOMETHING like this..." "It goes EXACTLY like this." (Of course this would be doubly overtoned with the purity/consoling of PUL.)  Wink

Thanks again Chuckles and Dave for your much appreciated (always insightful) replies.

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Reply #4 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 8:57pm
 
CA, I think it really depends on the beliefs held prior.  If one believes that the afterlife is a set in stone, rigid place..then most likely, they won't be open to alternatives.

Which makes what we do with retrievals all the more valuable. 

Have you tried to contact your loved ones while you are still here?
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Reply #5 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 9:28pm
 
Hi Cosmic Ambitions,
I attempted several times to go to into the BST area, and it's difficult. From far away have a look, that's more easy, but when I moved closer my helper shielded me with a stealth. I should not be seen nor should I interact. At other, few occasions I found myself in a BST and could communicate with the inhabitants, those people which I talked to had doubts or had enough of it. Once when I "knocked on the door" to just look around a woman showed up and said "No visitors today".
As far as I've seen on Focus 27 they know about the BSTs and are constantly working on getting people out of narrowed states of mind. It seems, however, there must be some opening up for other values than in the BST for contacting them. If there are BSTs which include the belief that contacting people from outside their own belief system is not a bad thing then it should be not a big problem as long as one is willing to hide too hard critic; I've seen there are those "open" belief systems, and of course those helpers of F27 are very interested in conversation with members of them.

Bruce wrote much about BSTs and helpers who go inside them in his 4th (I think) book, "Voyage To Curiosity's Father".

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Reply #6 - Oct 25th, 2006 at 1:15am
 
hi, Chuckles arising again Smiley it shouldn't be difficult if there is any kind of affection or love bond with the person you ask to visit with. there have been many instances on the other side where the mere thought of a certain person and zap...you are suddenly with them with just a sense of brief movement, but space is different on that side as is the sense of time going by. thought is the more instantly materialized, say, building a house, you will have guides who will tell you where to put the next "thought" brick with your creative mind. and Shirley has the right idea, just because we're here physically doesn't mean we don't live also mentally on focus 27 at the same time and we can navigate in our minds to these areas to see whomever we want to, although on occassions they may not be available to us until we make repeated reguests.
I mean, if there was an argument they may have closed down to see you and so they have to be open to the idea too. theres a sort of messenger service to my perception going on whenever I've wanted to make contact with a loved one. it generally takes a few days or a week or so to get my message or request for a visit delivered and accepted.
it was funny, its so hard to pigeonhole relationships and retrievals and just visits. my mother passed over and my family didn't even tell me. several months after she left it turns out my mother came looking for me! she slipped into my dreams..she was urgently looking for a place to...well..be...I was greatly alarmed and brought her "upstairs." my dream symbology for a retrieval.  how did she know I do retrievals? we never discussed this much, she just wasn't into my spiritual stuff. I was happy to help her. sometimes loved ones will just find you, you don't have to find them. it wasn't like she was stuck in a belief system, it was like she was in a foreign country and no ticket home. In my symbology I made everything all right. gave her an apartment with her sewing machine. that was the last service on earth she rendered to others and so she understood we give a service to each other whether here or there. she was so content to sit down at her old machine as it brought her peace of mind. then I knew this was a temporary station for her. i could sense that guides would come for her as I was on my way out the door to make sure somebody would. I still would have no idea she had passed on until June, and this was then January. I remember finally being able to do something to show her I loved her. strangest retrieval I've ever done.

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