Hello everyone:

I have just finished reading another post and I am confused. Another member posted a statement that went something like this;

"Bob Monroe completely rejected the notion that his own wife, Nancy, could be contacted by anyone more than six months after her death." 

and......

"This question is particularly acute in view of the astral insights of Robert Bruce and Swedenborg that the deceased soon lose contact with their earth memories. "

I understand that Bruce Moen and most everyone would agree that these opinions are based on another persons reality and that the best way for me to find my own truth is through my own experience. I am going to purchase Bruce's books/tapes in the near future; so in the meantime, please bear with me as I currently have limited experience.

I am curious to know others' thoughts and experiences on this matter, do loved ones who have deceased eventually lose contact with thier earth memories?

This does not make sense to me as I thought we retain all memories of everything we have exerienced for an eternity. Could it be that our loved ones don't lose memories, but they become detached. They become detached with love. Holding on to grief is not the best way to be a happy and free spirit. Perhaps they are there in the beginning  to comfort us but then they eventually let go to a certain extent so that we can move on with our lives. Maybe our loved ones do not want us to become dependent on their signals and signs because in becoming dependent on them we can't truly move on and live in the moment.

It does seem to be true that after awhile the contact becomes less and less frequent, but does it cease to exist completly as was insinuated in a certain post.

I would be greatful for any insight/clarification/experiences concerning my questions.

Love and light...........................................................................
..........................................BD

Ido not think the spirits lose their memories of earth life i think they are always with you its just they have things to do in the spiritworld so they cannot always come to you all the time .
Me and judithas dad comes through when we go to medium night up the church most times we go but not every time and we always think when he dosent come through that he is busy in the spiritworld with other things ,we never think he has forgotten us .
I hope that helps with your question baby duck love deanna
                         GOD BLESS

I don't know the details of what Robert Monroe said, but perhaps he wanted to make certain that TMI people didn't keep trying to contact his ex wife after she passed away, and therefore made the six month statement.

Otherwise, you can't believe everything you read no matter what the source. It makes no sense at all to me that a spirit will lose its earth based memories just six months after crossing over. Perhaps they'll lose attachment to such memories and live more according to who they really are.

Its a good question.

Initially, Swedenborg stated that everything in one's life, every conversation, thought, and action was available to the deceased spirit.  Eventually, losing your body, means, however, reviewing your past life, and learning lessons, perhaps atoning for mistakes, and then, moving on in learning and experience.  As you turn toward your true inner nature after death, after this review and memory of the totality of your earthly life, it seems natural that you would not dwell on it, but continue to evolve in thought and action.

I think it would be hard to forget everything and everyone who went before, because love is the basis for our very existence.  We could not abdandon our loved ones just because we are shifting our attention to other areas.  So a part of ourselves must always maintain the connection and send love to the earth plane to help our loved ones get through their tough times.  It may simply be that as Mendel stated, communication becomes more difficult - not that loved ones are forgotten. 


Matthew

With regards to retaining one's memory (i.e. rememberance of loved ones, life experiences, etc.) after the transition is made into energy/conscious form... My father had shared with me that during his NDE his initial journey through the tunnel contained some of the following elements: He was travelling at a tremendous unearthly speed; at that very moment he had no recollection of his life on planet Earth... and in fact he didn't have recollection of his own personality whilst physically alive, he just WAS, in the purest form of being; he also remembered very clearly that there were what he described as "guide posts" along the way; he said that there was a definite destination (Light) at the end of this "tunnel/vortex" and that he knew that he must go there; he was led towards this Light via the guide posts; the guide posts that he described during his experience consisted of two elements: One was akin to gregorian style monk chanting and the other was un undefineable orchestral type music that he described as being nothing like we've ever heard whilst on Earth; overwhelmingly serene/majestic/magical/comforting; he said that he remembers this tunnel heading off into the distance towards this Light and every so often he would hit these "guide posts" that would direct him on the path that would take him towards this Light in the distance; he said that he felt like if he were to not follow the guidance being provided that he wouldn't make it to the destination at the end; he felt that the pathways that were veering off course away from the Light were very unnerving and that if he were to have avoided the guidance that he could have ended up on the wrong path and into this blackness/void/dischord of which he felt was not good in the slightest; however he managed to follow the guidance and end up within the Light itself; a part of/one with the Light; he said that it was at the very moment that he was within this indescribeable energy-field of loving peaceful Light that he had a flood of memories from his Earthly experience (i.e. family/self-identity, etc.) It was at this moment that he was provided a choice... to stay, and experience whatever came next... or to go back to his Earthly body, to complete the tasks that he was to accomplish whilst physically alive; he said that he knew that if he stayed that our (my brothers and I) would have our futures played out differently than if he were to come back; although he had a choice, inside he said that he knew what he must do; he came back.

He also had the recollection of lifeforces coming and going from the Earth; during this entire experience he was in a state of complete peacefulness aside from the feelings associated with the notion of going off course and away from the Light were it not for the "guide" posts directing him towards the Light. In reflection he has pondered the idea that maybe our children are a form of ourselves that eventually become integrated back into the Light as parts of the whole of who we are. He has never heard of "higher selves/discs", so I assume this to be quite an amazing revelation for him beings he has never researched the subject. He has been very much into the ideas of String Theory and vibrations of energy with relation to our ultimate reality since that experience. 

Hope this provides some sort of useful look at our memories after the Earth-life.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Perhaps they simply "fade away" into the "general field" or what
have you... even as the body decays and is re-absorbed into the
physical environment (an energy field in its own right, as physics
would assert!) the individual personality decays as well, and is
re-absorbed into its respective "energy field" post-mortem.
Gradually, the "spirit" (i.e., stripped personality) loses consciousness,
and "dies" a "second death" (at the risk of sounding - well, biblical!)
Then what happens? If you take the view that consciousness
is a STATE - it is to (total un-consciousness) as "1" is to "0" or
"something" is to "nothing" - another point of "subjective consciousness"
appears - another "you" (from your own SUBJECTIVE perspective!)
So it might be argued that what "survives" isn't actually the deceased
person, but that person's "point of perspective on things" if you will.
(Sounds a lot like reincarnation, come to think of it..!)
Anyway, that would account for both the seeming "decay" undergone
by a deceased "spirit", as well as allowing a form of "immortality."
Works for me...

B-man

Chumley:

I would not think that our consciousness goes through a death because how would you explain people who can remember past life experiences? From what I have heard, the personality doesn't ever die, we go through  a  different play but with similiar dynamics. If you were taken advantage of in one life, it will most likely happen again in the next, unless you've learned your lesson. If lessons are mastered in this life, we probably don't bring along that baggage into another life. I beleive that's what evolution is about. I  think we retain a percentage of our uniqueness/individuality/personality from the moment it all began to .....eternity. I think our very essence and core personality bleeds into all of our characters. But these are just my thoughts.

The love never dies because we share our loved ones over and over again. We recycle them But thier very essence most likely stays the same, so we remember them by thier signature energy pattern. And remember, EVERY time we die, we start to recall ALL of our past lives again. SO, for example, we can run into our best friend from the most recent life and remember "hey, isn't it ironic, you were once my husband, and I was once your daughter, now I love you even so much more!". Our love that we share for each special person in our life also grows and evolves over time aswell, thats what I think.


Alysia:

That was a touching story about the retreival of the brother, I think it's nice he'd help his sister with recipes because its so down-to-earth. You usually think of communications from the beyond being profound, deep ,vauge, or only in times of crises. It was nice to here that her brother thinks about the little details aswell, very cool!

Hi BD-
I think I'm somewhere between Chumley and Doc. In my work a lot of people that I have never met (in this life) come to me and want past life regressions. In general I make it a point not to lead, so I ask open ended questions, like, "Where do you feel that you are?" or "Do you recognize anyone?" The typical result is that most people seem to have no memory, or no important memory that they want to talk about from their previous childhood, but somewhere around puberty it kicks in. Then they have one or two experiences that they recall. These experiences are always significant events that stand out above the humdrum daily routine of living. For example, nobody ever tells me that they remember breathing or eating, but they definitely remark on being suffocated or starved, or one case in which the woman had a full blown heart attack and insisted on direct somatic recall of the whole thing.

I occasionally have had people who could regress and discuss a lot of the things that had happened intheir prio life. Usually they are reasonable things, and stand out because they altered the daily rythm by a small amount. An example is a farm wife who goes to the store once every two or three months. In one case I took extensive geographical and decriptive notes. Then I went to a map and tried to locate her. It was imposible. There simply was no identical place.

This gives me the impression that we retain experiences by somehow building them into our psyche, much as a river retains its experiences of flooding by shifting its banks. The really significant things that we do evidently carry a karmic charge. These seem to be easily recalled, like flying off a motorcycle through a window or whatever. These are typically events that define the nature of the individual.

As an analogy, consider an electron. In principle, its radiated lines of electrical charge go off in all dirctions until they reach the ends of the universe. Thus a motion of the electron alters its relationships by which embedding in spacetime occurs. If we could discover all the lines of charge emitted, and trace them all the way to their ends, we should be able to describe the history of the electron through the relationships it has had.

In much the same way, it seems that events alter the lines of relationship through which our embedding in psychic spacetime occurs. For us, however, our definition is hooked onto those lines of relationship, so in principle we should be able to look at the way we are embedded in reality, and then from that discover the way in which we have experienced reality. This kind of thinking means that karmic issues are embedded in us, and are not imposed by externals. The routine stuff would fade way because it has no special nature, we are generally alike with respect to routine things, just like one electron resembles another. But when we do some significant thing that alters our definition, by rearranging the manner in which we and the world relate to one another, then it seems that this stands out and can be recovered.

The next obvious question is what is all the other stuff. (a) What about all the details of life on the farm, or whatever. (b) What about the personally relevant material?

I suggest that the "life on the farm" routine material is mostly "filler". It carries the same meanings as would the actual experiences, but there is nothing to make it stand out, so the mind simply uses a generic description.

For the personal details, my personal opinion is that the person is able to read the mind of those who are present. In this sense, I would not say that material was forgotten, but that the unimportant details are lost, and only the important connections remain. These are evidently readily identified when in the spirit world, since love is eternal, and many other strong emotions are moderately stable and enduring. As an example, I occasionally ask, "Do you know anybody who is in that group?" If the reply is indefinite, I add, "Look into their eyes and see." Then there is sometimes a recollection, "Oh yes. That is my neighbor in this life." or some such thing.

The greatest difficulty with past life work seems to be the fantastic difficulty of getting reproducible results in which the place, time and activities can be traced exactly, My suggestion is that this is simply because most of the time, the stuff was trivial, and a lot was filled in with generics. BUT - and this is important - I may be dead wrong.

Incidently - if there is anyone who is truly interested in working in this area, I have about 300 hours of VHS recordings of past life regressions (with permissions) that might be useful for a content analysis. Maybe that would clarify some of these ideas.
PUL
dave