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An OOBE and an Atheist
Oct 13th, 2006 at 8:30am
 
Hello everyone! I'm new around here and my name is Elanor.

10 years ago I had my one and only OOBE. I bypassed the intense vibrations easily (other times I get knocked out) and clicked out, speeding through a dark, vast tunnel. All around me, there were little silver specks, like stars. Anyone know what these stars were? Where was I going?

I noticed that I was an orb of consciousness, could see all around myself at once, including my own body faintly at the other end of the tunnel. I hesitated to go further, and with that thought I was quickly back in my own body.

I wish I had greater courage to explore this side of myself, but here in Singapore I feel very far away from any support I can get. That's why I'm glad to be on this forum!

Also, I need advice for my husband, who does not believe there is life after death. What is the best thing I can do for him? I would never (and I couldn't) force him into believing, but I wish to do all that I can to make sure that, when our time comes in the future, he will be okay on the other side.

I can see auras slightly, and a few other unusual events have happened in my life! But I'll share about that another time.  Smiley
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Reply #1 - Oct 13th, 2006 at 9:05am
 
Why does your husband not believe?  If he's an atheist, and somehow he's gotten the idea that there is a necessary connection between being a theist and believing in the afterlife, you might point out to him that there isn't any *necessary* connection at all.  A person could be (like my Dad) a complete atheist and still believe in an afterlife...one has nothing necessarily to do with the other.  My Dad looked at it as a "law of nature" sort of thing...you die, you pop up on the other side, no "Supreme Being" or what have you involved.

My Dad had an off the charts IQ, if that makes a difference to your husband...the afterlife isn't something "people who aren't smart enough to know better" believe in.  It is, as you said, up to him in the end, but he'll probably be a lot more comfortable at the transition if he's expecting it.  Still, plenty who don't believe in an afterlife seem to do just fine once they get there...I think it's a matter of why and "how hard" they don't believe.  Some are going to pop up over there and go "Cool!  I'm still around!" and others are going to be a little harder to dislodge from their beliefs, so I'd say while it's probably easier to go expecting to continue on, it's not essential.
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Reply #2 - Oct 13th, 2006 at 9:27am
 
Hi Cricket, thanks for your reply, and sorry for the inaccuracy in terms! I meant that my husband doesn't believe in God, the afterlife, or anything there isn't scientific proof for.   Smiley

He is also extremely clever, one of those Mensa-level, analytical and mathematical sorts. He probably finds my experiences a mystery and rather illogical!

That's good to know he'll probably cope ok. Thanks for the reassurance!
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Reply #3 - Oct 13th, 2006 at 7:03pm
 
Ah.  My Dad was Mensa-level smart, too, and also liked scientific proof.  However, encountering ghosties and ghoulies trumps any scientific proof all hollow, and he'd run into a few.  He had to either conclude that he was nuts, or that there was an afterlife.  Fairly easy choice there, apparently... Smiley
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Reply #4 - Oct 14th, 2006 at 12:35am
 
Elanor, welcome. Have your husband start reading
http://www.near-death.com/
There is plenty of material there.
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Reply #5 - Oct 14th, 2006 at 1:01am
 
Hi Boris, thanks for the link! That's loads of info there, though I'm not sure how open he'll be to reading it... if he is ever curious to know more I'd be delighted to show him the site you mentioned and more.

Hi Cricket, I think the closest he's ever got was to be able to see auras in his room when we were together. He was intrigued to see bright green lights ebbing in the room, and little V-shaped 'lights' shooting out of his fingertips. (This is part of what I see also, do you see this too?) However, he has since sadly dismissed it, saying that it was his imagination playing tricks on him.   Sad

For myself, the clearest aura I have seen was of someone meditating in a public place next to a church, some years ago. He had a huge (extending at least a metre or two), beautiful purple aura which was astonishingly clear to me. I've never had such clear auric sight since.
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Reply #6 - Oct 14th, 2006 at 10:45am
 
I've seen the auras and lights, but I can see how someone who didn't want to entertain the possibility of an afterlife might dismiss those as unrelated physical phenomena.

I have seen "dead people" (actually, the clearest one I ever saw was a dog!) and sentient spirals of smoke/mist/fog that moved independently and reacted to "seeing" me (I use quotes because the thing had no visible eyes but reacted just as someone would who was startled by seeing something).  My daughter has had a ghost argue with her about, of all things, how many sheep we once owned (the ghost was right!)  John has sent communications that as a group of occurrences were so far beyond the chance of coincidence I can't even begin to calculate the odds.
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Reply #7 - Oct 14th, 2006 at 11:02am
 
Greetings Elanor,
You can enhance those lights from the fingertips by lightly using Johnson's Baby Oil as a handcream -- all in the name of science and afterlife knowledge, of course. Before my husband became ill we used to do that. Mine's also very pragmatic and it helped alot to proove to him that he contains energies that suggest a soul because they go beyond the physical-mechanical.

Cheesy PS Here's a joke, probably uncalled for: Did you hear the one about
An OOBE and an atheist who were out in a boat one day. The atheist was rowing, but the oars got stuck in seaweed and pulled out of his hands. "Help Help!" yelled the atheist. "Who are you yelling to?" the OOBE asked.  The atheist groaned, "Oh, I forgot. No one! No one can save me." While the OOBE was trying to figure out what to do, and the atheist was trying to figure out who he was talking to, the atheist's mighty Jack Russell Terrier (the shaggy version,) that was supposed to be kennelled a thousand miles away during vacation, came rushing over, swimming and running through the seaweed. The courageous dog grabbed the towline and pulled the boat to shore.   Shocked
The punchline has to do with that these things have a way of getting solved but sometimes in unexpected (miraculous) ways.  Smiley
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There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Reply #8 - Oct 14th, 2006 at 9:53pm
 
Hi Cricket, well there's a ghost with a sense of humour! I've never seen spirits or ghosts (I'd probably get a heart attack if I did), and if my husband saw one, he would likely arrive at the same conclusion as your dad... All three generations of your family are gifted, wow! Smiley

However, the line between waking and sleeping seems blurred for me. I sometimes experience waking paralysis - during which I'm pretty sure I can see around my room even though my eyes are closed, very odd really. I can also move my arms and fingers slightly, and see a whitish outline pass before my sight when I do. Am I imagining this? Have you or anyone else had the same experience?

I've also noted that paralysis for me leads to vibrations, which I find uncomfortable. Any advice for managing vibrations?  Undecided

Hello Betson, I have to try that! I'll pop by the pharmacy and pick some up the next time I pass by, and post on any differences I see. These lights are small energy ports, arent' they, like small chakras or something? Thanks for the tip.  Smiley
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Reply #9 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 10:59am
 
Greetings Elanor,

Some people think that sleep paralysis and vibrations are stages of your system getting ready for out of body experiences. You can 'set your intent' to have further experiences by mentally, firmly saying 'please procede' or to deny it and stop your development, firmly and mentally say you're not ready for this.
An explanation is that there are 5--7+ energy fields/bodies within the space we think of as one body, and they have to get attuned differently for different spiritual activities, hence the vibration or a momentary unresponsiveness to conscious control.
Someone else has said to make sure you're in good health--heart and circulation, etc since poor circulation can put a hand or arm etc 'to sleep.'
Re: the sparks around the hands, they are natural too, and different words have been used to describe them. "Ports" conveys alot; did you make that term up or borrow it?
It sounds like you're getting ready for a new phase of spiritual development if you want it---congratulations!
bets
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