Rob dear soul, you said basically what I was going to say so won't repeat that.

Augo, I'm curious as to why you're here since the purpose of this website and board is to learn how to do retrievals. Until you do them, you're talking about something you know absolutely nothing about. Your beliefs are that Steiner is the end-all, be-all of the spirit world. You're following the teachings of a false guru. I'm not trying to put you down by any means. We all have our false belief systems. But explore the afterlife for yourself. Let in some Light and KNOW what it's like 'there' which is just a breath away. Of course someday you will find out for yourself but why wait til you transition.

With Love, Mairlyn

Some comments about the excerpts of Steiner augoeideian posted:

The perception in the spirit world:

What Steiner wrote is similar to "nonverbal communication". I think it is true that at some levels of awareness the relations of perceptions/impressions to it's meanings differ much from what is common on earth. For example, when I imagine a nice landscape over there, it is not just a landscape, it also my feelings of "nice", my need of a cozy place, the sense of freedom, freshness, healthieness, joyfulness etc. all in my image of this particular landscape. While the pure material meaning is just a landscape- measurable extensions and specifications.
The conclusion, however, that spirits aren't able to read, is not necessarily following from that and I don't see why it should.
Btw, I had some experiences with databases over there (but, unfortunately, not enough to verificate at proof level anything), and it was not like reading, but more like looking a movie. Maybe it's just some can read over there and some find it difficult.

The "nourishment" of in-between-souls from dreams:
That reminds me of earthbound souls, who like to attach to some people and special habits, or just stay focused on earth as if they're still physically alive. Those the retriever can try to move their focus in another direction.
But I don't think the nourishment idea, in the meaning like for the physical people food is needed, is true.
It's surely true that on earth one can gain spiritual insights like at no other place. But I think the statement that it's the only place of spiritual insight is not true.

My impressions are, Steiner had many thoughts of truth, but was over-precise and a systematiac, and some might be wrong- maybe at least for him true, but not for everyone.

I have no statement about Steiner's race theory to make, I've read to little of his writings. But I know there once was trouble about this here in Germany because something of it was teached in schools (we have many schools here who lean onto Steiner's work).

I agree, exploration at own hand is best.


Spooky

Yes, Juditha, we do continue to learn there..as we do here.  I've heard of these great libraries and halls..

I cannot imagine being some half-aware zombie feeding on the dreams of the physically living.  That makes no sense to me at all, since dreams take place in the astral to begin with.  Its more that WE are feeding off THEIR energy..

Love to you, Juditha..and..when are you going to put your picture back, hon?  I miss seeing your beautiful face..

Hi Shirley i agree with you,i cant imagine being half aware zombies either,and thankyou for saying my face is beautiful,as you have a beautiful face as well,and i will put my picture back on in time,i promise.

Love and God bless you Shirley  love Juditha

Thanks for the replies all taken into consideration.

Okay listen up; my perspective on retrevials.  Besides not being spiritual sciencifically correct; the only one that can 'retrieve', although the correct word is Redeem, my soul is Jesus Christ who lives inside me.  Jesus Christ is also the only one who has the power to Resurrect my soul.

I have had many many lives in earth and in turn many many deaths.  I was not incarnated in the year 1966 for someone like Shirley, for example, who denies God let alone his son the Christ, to 'retrieve' my soul.  Not only does this mock the Christ who lives in me; it mocks my parents and my forefathers.

Picturing the scenario;

I have just died.  My spirit soul has gone straight to where it should go.  My etheric body is preparing to loosen itself and my astral body is gathering its last moments in earth and just checking out a few things.  Shirley comes up to my astral body.  Now, to put this into perspective - Shirley who does not know me has to find me in herself in order to create a picture of me (this could be quite funny) and I in turn who do not know Shirley has to perceive through my astral body
Shirley's imagination (this also could be quite funny) So okay we have got this far; although my I has long gone so she is perceiving the shadow of me.

She say's to me through thought process 'I have come to retrieve you'  after my astral body packs up laughing says 'whatever for?!' My I has been redeemed through the Christ that lives in my soul and they are already in the light, thanks for the offer anyway!'

You know my country had a spin doctor once his name was PW Botha and he was the ex-president of the apartheid government also known as the crocodile, that was a false belief system if there ever was and you people that say stuck in false beliefs in relation to the Creator God and His son Jesus Christ I feel sorry for you.

If you really want to do God's work in 'retrieving' souls take yourself to a Priest and be ordained as a minister and then you might be taken seriously.

As far as Steiner's work goes... 'he who has ears listen' otherwise his teachings will mean nothing to deaf ears.  This passage in the bible relates to what Steiner was saying regarding Spirits that are drawn towards our thoughts as well as 'retrievals'

1Peter 4:5-7
"Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.  For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.  But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer."

When the body falls away the soul knows what works it has done.

Whoooaaahhh.  Time out there, friends?  When last I checked, this site was not dedicated specifically to retrievals, but to knowledge about the afterlife.  Retrievals deal specifically with those souls or people whose consciousness has made them "stuck," near the earth plane.  They seem, by all accounts far more amenable to our intervention than the more etheric spirits/angels.  That is the purpose of the retrieval section on this forum, NOT the topics of "afterlife knowledge."

For those of you asking dear Caryn "why are you on this forum if you don't believe in retrievals?"  Stop it.  Bruce has no prerequisites for belief systems in order to post here - only to maintain a civil tone and not disparage someone personally, when last I checked.  Nor has it been mandatory to read through Bruce's or RAM's books in order to discuss topics (though it is immensely helpful, I find). 

Caryn, believing in retrievals is not denying the Christ consciousness at all.  It simply refers to  those few souls who are so focused on earth life that they can not see other spiritual guides to move on.  To do a retrieval should be done out of love, and is, at a basic level expressing the essence of love Jesus spoke of.  That being said, I myself have not focused on retrievals yet, though I may have in dreams or meditation. 

One must be able to differ in opinions without having one's head handed to them.

'Nuff said.

Matthew

I agree with Doc:

This site isn't just about retrievels.

More than anything, Christ consciousness is about love.

People are free to believe whatever they want. However, people often have discussions about differing beliefs. Noting wrong with that. In fact it's a good thing, because it provides another way for figuring things out.