Cosmic Ambitions:

I get what you say about the attraction of the light etc.; however, my experince has shown me that there are some earthbound spirits.

What happens is that they become so attached to the physical for some reason, that they have a problem seeing the light and helper spirits, just like physical people usually have a hard time seeing ghosts.

Because people who help with retrievels are in a physical state, their vibrational rate is dense enough for a stuck earthbound spirit to see them.  A person who helps with retrievels acts as an energetic bridge. They get an earthbound spirit to broaden its focus of attention so it can see things that vibrate at higher vibrational rates.

My guess is that you already know this.

Deanna:

People can use their thought energy to create just about anything.  The same is true for spirits. Therefore, it is very possible that what you saw was an earthbound spirit that used its creative energy to create a demonic image. If it appeared as a man it would not had been able to scare you as much.

All creative energy comes from God. There is no second source. Therefore, even if a spirit chooses to use its energy to create a denomic like image, such a spirit is using the creative energy it received from God to do so.

It's just facade. If the spirit you saw really had the power to hurt you and Juditha it would not had chosen to appear to you in such a Hollywood horror film manner, and it would have done something to you by now.

I've seen really creepy images with my mind's eye. One of them took a swing at me and a couple acted as if they were throwing something at me. They had really angry faces as they did so. But they didn't hurt me, because they didn't have the power to do so. I just send them love and they go away right away.

One time after seeing one I heard a voice say: "You never take a look behind them."  This voice came from my guidance and I knew what it meant. No spirit actually looks like some creepy "body" based form. All spirits are made of light energy. Such appearances are nothing more than a ruse.

Spirits that appear wearing a demon like costume have the power to scare you only if you give it to them.  I guess the spirit you saw wasn't too brave and powerful if it had to pick on a couple of little girls. You can't measure the power of a book by the look of its cover.

deanna wrote on Oct 13^th, 2006 at 6:03pm:

I have been the victim of a recent psychic attack. The source was human, people who wanted me to join their cult and became incensed when I refused to bend to their will. I was able to withstand the attack but it left me with a feeling that there is more to fear from human egos and desire for power than from some supernatural entity.

I know these people were being directed by a negative entity but it was their choice to do so. If power-mad humans did not truck with dark forces, there would not be half as much to worry about, IMHO.

I like what Shirley has to say although I hear everybody I think pretty clearly on this subject.  from time to time this subject crops up so it must have meaning.

my guides have shown me a scarey thing chasing me and when I faced off with it, so tired of always running, it turned into a cartoon and said "I thought you wanted me to chase you, now I am no longer in existence..then it dissolved in front of me. it was in essence telling me I had created it, but because of the courage to face off with it, it could no longer chase me and fact is, it had never been able to catch me in dream after dream. so I was looking at being tired of the repitition of the scene and applied it to my life in general.

insofar as dividing people or nonphysical people, or spirits and incarnated spirits into two sides, one side is evil and one side is good, I don't think we can be that simplistic anymore in our spiritual advancement. time has come to take charge of our own thoughts and feelings to generate our reality and our experiences.
I don't think anyone could argue we are living in the time of the symbols of the revelation. we will all be growing by leaps and bounds now.
PUL will unite, while classifying evil will divide people, spirits, etc. what I did to reconcile my beliefs, was to look at evil as animalistic, or entirely selfish interests, which when u see a dumb animal, you can say it needs training or development.
alas, being born here, as a child we are much like a dumb animal. we think only of our needs at that point. so be it with so called evil spirits.
just know if you conjured one up, invited it, challenged it, was curious, whatever, when you square off, shoot your love gun at it and you'll be fine.
when you fall or drift out there, somehow there is something to catch you within PUL because you are that precious.

Its so amusing the way we disagree on what is and what is not.  The arguments stems more from, what we want to believe than what we know is truth.Its easier to believe there is no such thing as evil and that the after life is one forged with an in describable beauty .But this is but a dream, the real truth is what we see down here is also what you have a above Maybe not in the higher planes, but the one closer to earth we can see what is there.And don't be thinking your only going to exist in the higher planes, as this will not be the case as there is much work to be done. The great Thoth said in the emerald tablets AS ABOVE SO IS BELOW, when you truly understand this statement then you can begin to see the plight we are here to face.There are many things within the argument that just don't add up for me.

For one are we not spirit?

We dont just exsit here we exsit as souls spirit in the astral ,so who O why would you think this not the case.

Just because we choose to live our lives in the pursuit of graining a greater perspective. Dose not mean that all are on the same path as we, true in the end all will come to the light but a souls choice of path can be one of real evil not just here but in the astral as well, And through this choice they can and do when the opportunity arises exact this path.We exist in a  free will zone there are those here who I would consider innately evil in the paths they have chosen. What do you thinks happens when these souls leave this plane and enter the astral , they don't automatically become enlightened. its a process after all one where all still struggling with at our level.

Theres so much to understand when in the higher plane, I understand that we the light are trying to help all who have chosen a path of darkness, for I have been merged with my higher self when we have pleaded with such souls to return to the light ,but its not easy to move them on.

So I say to you don't be dismissive of another's experience just because it has not happened to you, for there are many many things that we are disconnected from ,we don't have the full story and so we are not privileged to understand why one experiences something and another dose not, all is valid all is real.

Evolution is one tough game people, there are test all a long the path not to mention the continual bombardment of information relayed to us through the astral that most are not even aware of.

I think we are all on this thread discussing the underlying question who and what are we? that humanity, whether here or there, are in evolvement or a perpetual becoming state is a no brainer. any body see the Freddie Kruger movies? bit of truth in them. when the heroine refused to believe in Freddie as real, he did have to admit defeat and dissolved. with these players, demons, whatever, misinformed pranksters, theres labels we choose to understand them and even to understand why we ourselves would attract such to ourselves. we might see out there the soul-less players, maybe they really have sold their soul and come to this. maybe we are to build a soul while here and maybe they just never bothered with the effort. however there is a vampiric element within Freddie types. this type of astral being keeps itself alive on the emotional food of fear. it is a most tasty food to such. fear is an energy, a fuel. feed not the demons with emotional thought and focus instead on all the many wonders of our ability to become more than we thought we were yesterday, and our ability to retrieve each other to greater levels of feel good. why should we waste our time to produce a crop of fear for a demon to harvest?
by and by such would simply dissolve for want of human interplay of its purpose.
should any of us come upon a dark soul for whatever reason, stand without fear. (I know, its difficult, but as you get older, you also get crankier to confront such, so no problem) as I was saying, one does not resist evil, for that feeds it. stand in your "I am that I am consciousness. then say I choose the way of light and so no harm can come to me. as I recall many years ago I spoke the word. If you say be gone in the name of one who stood for love, it was promised that the word would be made good.

and remember, although I do not claim Christianity as my religion, as I have no religion other than to study the effects of PUL, I still like and trust the words of J, who promised us we will do great things and most likely, together. and never look down to see if you're sinking. he said not to!

Alysia,

That last reply was very well said; very well done.


Matthew

we do work here together Shirley I don't think anyone counts thinking, meditating, posting it here as work..but gee, it really is. was referring to your phrase of looking through a glass darkly to the other side. don't u love the subconscious areas of our symbols that we share..in my dreams, when I am instructing my self from my self the symbol of a window pops up as the image I look out into the future through and I know exactly what you are saying that although all of our beliefs are true and valid, they become distortions when looking through another's mirror mind. and the window can also be the afterlife definition. comes a day when everything becomes a symbol of something else that's real. so like Dave says and I've heard this many places, we accept the symbols, just like these words are twice removed from reality it is all these symbols we have to communicate to each other and we accept the symbols and mirror ourselves to each other. behind all that I see love operating for why would we come here if not for the pleasure of each other's company? we know we need our own personally designed experiences or we know nothing at all without experiences to back us up with those words we toss back and forth. I know we have agendas but trashing them brings reminders of what's important.

its ok what it is; as the youngsters say, chill, lighten up. its only life. (my advice to me borrowed from these more brilliant souls who came here to save me!)
every now and then I think of my journey over the years. I finally found out I was on a journey and this wasn't my true home; I found this out in the late 80's. I started crashing belief systems left and right. thank god there was something loving holding me as I did so. since then I used to get this picture of a person on an island. it was all nice and peaceful, plenty of coconuts and pineapple. a few monkeys playing to entertain me. I had peace of mind at last. then there was no one around to celebrate peace of mind with! whaaaa!!!!   thats when I wanted to get off my island so I sailed off the edge of the world and discovered the world was not flat..as they had said.  so I celebrate you all and found out we are all in the perfect place no matter what beliefs we cherish. we never run out of things to talk about Dave! nowdays I have to force myself to be quiet once in awhile, thats good too.