Do they really exist?  Independantly, that is?

I don't think so.  I think they are simply thought projections of our own base fears.  Just as we can conjure up a cup of coffee in the astral, simply by thinking about it, we also create these so-called demons with our thoughts.

There was a time I thought I had to cleanse my home and surroundings of anything with the appearance of evil.  The more I searched and cleansed, the more fear I felt, the more "demons" I found.

Once I let go of that silliness..and realized that a statue is not inherantly evil or good..the manifestations of demons/evil spirits/negative entities ceased.

That's not to say there aren't humans who have crossed over who don't have "issues"..but I would tend to think that most of them are stuck in some kind of hell (as in Max's Hell) and not free roaming to possess and torment those of us currently in the Earth Life System.

Perfect love casts out fear..and what is "perfect love?"  I would have to say PUL..Pure Unconditional Love.

When we allow our fears to run rampant..then we experience "demons" and "evil spirits".  And, there is alot of fear in this world.  I truly believe that THAT is where the demons get their life..we create them.

Don't give them life.  Don't address them..and don't "fight" them.  They aren't real. They are figments of our thoughtlife.

Yes sad to say they do exist, I too have had an encounter, and it was no dream! This entity entered my home and emitted such fear in me, it was only through the strength of my higher self, that it was defeated. There is so much beyond our perception and until we meet face to face with such a thing we always seem to say they don't exist, well I know I would have said they don't thats for sure.

As for thoughts projected to things and false beliefs well that another thing all together.

I don't believe that they exist in the way people believe. I believe there are some angry and mean earthbound spirits, but not whatever the heck demons are supposed to be.

Considering that human beings can create things such as hate, anger, fear, and meaness; one doesn't need to look for spirits with non-human origins to find a spirit with a nasty vibe. Regarding the creep imagery, they can get that by watching horror movies. I've heard that blue scars are more evil than red scars (sarcasm).

Psychologists reported that after the Exorcist came out the number of people who believed they were possessed increased significantly. Congregations that are led by preachers who teach about demons etc. tend to have many more supposedly possessed congregation members than congregregations that aren't led by such preachers.

When a person goes through the kundalini unfoldment process, suppressed subconscious thought patterns eventually find there way to the surface and a person has to deal with demons that his or her own mind created. This is what I found. If you check out the attached thread you'll find that I'm not alone.

http://www.kundalini-support.com/forum/index.php?topic=9695.15

One time I had an out of body experience where I travelled to the entrance way of a dark realm. I automatically/intuitively knew that the spirits within could only get out when they asked for help and a light being or light beings came to help them. Something such as ouija board usage might be an exception to this. When this experience ended the thought immediately occurred to me that ouija boards might provide an exception.

Before I went to sleep last night I asked to be provided with a dream that explained the manner in which confused spirits exist. One dream showed me that negative minded spirits are powerless to do anything to spirits who live according to love and light. One showed me that people who have an addiction sometimes become earthbound with they die and attach themselves to physical people who have the same addiction. One dream told me that sometimes spirits become earthbound because they are attached to the physical for sentimental reasons (e.g., they are attached to the house they used to live in). I was not provided with a dream which stated that there is a such thing as armies of darkness, even though I asked to be provided with this information if this is the case. One time I was shown a vision which showed that sometimes earthbound spirits with a similar energy group together. But, this is quite a different thing than an army of darkness. My feeling is that self centered, angry, hateful spirits couldn't get along well enough to set up a large organization. They'd be too busy fighting each other to ever get anything done.

Think of people who do have problems with negative minded spirits. When they get help from other people,  the negative minded spirit doesn't have reinforcements come and take care of the helpers.

Rudolph Steiner is an example of a new age like guy who pushed the demon viewpoint. He spoke of Lucifer and Ahriman. Supposedly they lure people to a paradise like realm when they die, so they won't try to spiritually progress. Gee whiz, you would think that light beings who represent the truth and are affiliated with a crossing over spirit would be there when a person dies so they won't be influenced and misled by the sort of beings Rudolph Steiner speaks of. After all, love based spirit beings certainly understand that we get confused while we're down here with the numerous belief systems that are available, and know that we'll need their help. They'll let us know what it's really about when we cross over.

Rudolph Steiner was also a man who had racist ideas such as black people have dark skin because they didn't develop their id. Indian people have red skin because they have super egos. I always thought environment had something to do with it. For example, native Americans from South American countries, black people from Africa, Brown people from India, and brown people from Australia (Aborigines) have dark skin because they live in hot environments. People from cooler climates such as Norway, Finland and Ireland have light skin because they don't live in hot environments. If you go by what Rudolph Steiner contends, people with darker skin aren't as spiritually evolved as white people. He also said: "It isn't because of the whims of the Europeans that the Indian population has died out, but because the Indian population had to acquire those forces that led it to die out." Here's another statement he made. "A soul can be incarnated in any race. but if this soul doesn't become evil,  it doesn't need to be reincarnated in a descending race, it will reincarnate later in a ascending race."

http://www.skepticreport.com/mystics/steiner.htm

Recoverer..you have brought such a wealth of knowledge, and for that I thank you!  And for the links, also.

I found myself this morning frightening myself while in the shower after reading Spooky's thread about the alien helper..and realized it was the power of suggestion that was causing it.  Afterall, it was still dark, and the bathroom was dark..perfect setting for a fear to take hold.

There are many things to learn, both here in C1 and in the astral.  What better way to get rid of a fear than to put a face on it and banish it? 

I had a few moments of meditation earlier..after clearing my mind, I set intent to see if there were any demons out there.  I saw these laughable creatures..reminded me of the creatures on the show "Dead Like Me"..the ones that show up when someone is going to die.

I looked right at them, laughed and projected PUL..I could see the white beam from my heart..and they just..exploded.

Yes, Spooky, I do see how in some situations, it can be difficult to control one's imagination.  I've been in that position, where my imagination ran wild..and I saw and heard things that seemed to cause me to see and hear things that further frightened me.

Yes, I do believe there is a basic reality.  And then there is what is reality for each individual.

We each get what we both need and want.  I can see demons, if that is what I choose.  But, the question remains..are they real?  or have I or another created them out of fear thoughts?

Its something worth exploring more..we explore the astral all the time.  Who or what are these "demons"?

I realized my most freeing moment when I realized there was not a battle between good and evil, "god" and "satan".  That there was simply a struggle for souls to grow and become what their potential said they could be.

There was nothing to be saved from.  Therefore, the perceived need for a savior vanished too.

Ok..that's rambling off topic a bit.  I would really like to figure out what these dark entities are.  If they really are.  I feel they are not.  When I stopped giving them life, so to speak, they ceased to exist in my reality.

I'm not sure if that makes any sense?

When I go looking for them..they seem to be there.  But, when I clear my mind and just ask to see what is there..I see totally different things, you know?

There might be some earhthbound spirits who believe they are demons, and use their light energy to make themselves look like demons. Sort of like an icky light energy halloween costume. The fact of the matter is that their light energy is light energy no matter how they cause it appear. Just like ink dots, television screen electrons, computer screen electrons, and movie screen photons of light are what they are, regardless of how they are made to look. Energy can be used to create all sorts of things including negative emotions.

Love/PUL on the other hand is a completely different thing, is limitless in supply (doesn't have to be mind created like other things), and can't be turned into something other than what it is.

A person "does not" have to believe in satan in order to believe in God and Jesus.

A person doesn't stay free of such supposed influences by believing in them and being on the look out all the time. A person stays free of such influences by living according to love and goodness. A person who over concerns his or herself about negative influences is more likely to experience them than people who don't concern themselves about such things, because a person who concerns his or herself about such things is liable to create them with his or her own mind.

I recommend that a person reads a book like Elaine Pagel's "the Origin of Satan." Her book explains part of the reason his myth was created. People from the time period in which the history for the new testament was formed, used to demonize their enemies. First Jewish people were demonized, then Pagans, and then Christian people who didn't believe in Christianity in a certain way. Such a manner of doing things wasn't reserved to this time period. Years later Martin Luther, creator of the protestant church, claimed that the Catholic church was under the control of satan. In recent times George W. Bush called Iraq the axis of evil, and Sadaam Hussein called the United States the great satan.  It is really hard to believe that a being such as a satan could possess an entire group of people. But thats what happens when people believe in him. They start pointing fingers at people who don't believe as they do, and use God as their justification for doing so.

I believe that if a person wants to be truly faitful to God and Jesus, then they have to be willing to question anything, including if everything the Bible says actually represents what they are about. Considering that there are so many different versions of the Bible and so much went into putting it together, it is certainly possible that it doesn't completely represent what God and  Jesus are about.

When one has passed into the hereafter and experiences the overwhelming engrossing feelings/emotions accompanied by the effects that pure unconditional love have on the soul as provided by the Light/Source/God... would it even be possible at that point for the soul to harbor any negative thoughts/emotions that could bring about negative imagery/experiences? I've heard from NDE's that such negative thoughts/emotions are literally dissolved out of existence during this cleansing/rejuvinating process... no matter how bad/damaging they are. It makes me wonder how it would even be possible for any such notions of negativity/pain/fear to exist at all once one has passed into the Light... or any spiritual realms for that matter as they are all of the Light; are therefore the Light itself. Also, from what I have gathered it sounds as if the pull towards this overwhelmingly loving Light is one that is undeniable and impossible to ignore. So, I guess my question is how is it even possible for any notions of evil/negativity/fear/etc. to exist at all once one enters the spiritual realms beings these negative traits are dissolved amidst the all encompassing presence of this unconditionally loving Light? It seems that it shouldn't even be a concept over there. It seems it would be so easy and divinely caring/neccessary for the Light/God/Source to dissolve any and all of these negative emotional traits that are consequently harbored within the soul via difficult experiences as had within our Earth Life System, or any such systems therein. Duality of this nature is not even suppose to exist within the spiritual states because they are all components of pure unconditional love... It is the nature of this Light in and of itself.

What I don't understand is that this Light/God/Source constitutes pure unconditional love... so, how would it even be possible for any of this Light's creation (which everything is) to be afraid of entering back into this Light due to bad/negative/evil thoughts beings this Light is by nature one of PURE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE? Consequently, it should actually be an impossibility for any notions of duality to exist once deployed into spirit -- particulary negative ones, for these are the universal laws of pure unconditional love as I have come to understand them.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Juditha:

Probably what responded to you is the closest thing there is to a devil.  Even though I'm certain that satan doesn't exist, I do believe that there are ill meaning physical people and ill meaning earth bound spirits who are opposed to God's way of love. Therefore, in that sense, they are opposed to God.

You wrote that you were put through it. The fact of how you're completely free to post on the internet today shows that whatever responded to your call doesn't have the power to stop you from loving God or from doing anything else you want to (as long as it is in the spirit of love).

I believe that there might be some negative minded spirits who will con a person if given a chance. One just needs to make certain that they don't give them a chance.


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