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Re: Reincarnation who needs it
Reply #30 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 4:04am
 
B-dawg wrote on Oct 15th, 2006 at 8:51am:
Chumley, its not only bearded gurus from India who accept the evidence for the afterlife.
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-I know that.
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http://www.victorzammit.com?/ See far left column. Quite a list of names who are not exactly spiritualists.
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-Check this out:

http://www.aaskolnick.com/dammit/

(Here you'll find quite a list of names in the left column
also..!)

B-man


Roll Eyes Gee and that proves what exactly? I think Victor refers to people like this as losers and defeatists or simply hard core close minded sceptics.

I have no time for such people. I consider myself to be an open minded sceptic who believes that there is something really going on that we aren't all aware of.  I would not want to mix with people who make it their mission to tear down every bit of research into the paranormal, sometimes just for the. They contribute nothing positive, only negativity. I far prefer open minded sceptics who are not necessarily believers, but like paraspychologists who are willing to consider all the possible reasons for phenomena occuring (normal and paranormal) and not draw any conclusions unless they have fool proof data. They are reasonable.

Quite frankly if you could prove to me somehow that there was no afterlife, then I would say 'Ok why I am wasting my time living, life sucks! Because I am breathing the same air as close minded sceptics!'

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Re: Reincarnation who needs it
Reply #31 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 6:24am
 
Hi Deanna
I am finding that I am experiencing more on past lives, having memories come back to me and the more sipritual work i do the more it seems to happen.
u nless they are other aspects of me that I am tuning into.
Cathy B
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Re: Reincarnation who needs it
Reply #32 - Oct 16th, 2006 at 9:05am
 
Chumley, its not only bearded gurus from India who accept the evidence for the afterlife.
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-I know that.
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http://www.victorzammit.com?/ See far left column. Quite a list of names who are not exactly spiritualists.
*****************
-Check this out:

http://www.aaskolnick.com/dammit/

(Here you'll find quite a list of names in the left column
also..!)

B-man


Roll Eyes Gee and that proves what exactly? I think Victor refers to people like this as losers and defeatists or simply hard core close minded sceptics.
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-Why is it that Zammit resorts to ad-hominem attacks and name-calling
when dealing with these skeptics? Such behavior is typical of a DEFENSIVE position, or so it seems to me..!
So I'd say, whatever abuse he's gotten from Skolnick - well, he
asked for it. (Let that be a lesson on how NOT to win an
argument.)
You know, if you're REALLY convinced you've got a good argument, you PITY your opponents - you don't get angry. (I'm sure you've noticed this simple life fact, haven't you NSD? I hope so anyway.)
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I have no time for such people.
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-Then why get angry with them? (Like Zammit does, the poor insecure
schmuck...)
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I consider myself to be an open minded sceptic who believes that there is something really going on that we aren't all aware of.  I would not want to mix with people who make it their mission to tear down every bit of research into the paranormal, sometimes just for the. They contribute nothing positive, only negativity. I far prefer open minded sceptics who are not necessarily believers, but like paraspychologists who are willing to consider all the possible reasons for phenomena occuring (normal and paranormal) and not draw any conclusions unless they have fool proof data. They are reasonable.

Quite frankly if you could prove to me somehow that there was no afterlife, then I would say 'Ok why I am wasting my time living, life sucks! Because I am breathing the same air as close minded sceptics!'
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-Anger again. (Watch that blood pressure, bro..!) AND...
-what if it's the AFTERLIFE that sucks?
It's a distinct possibility, you know. Most ancient
cultures considered it a gray, miserable existence
in a "netherworld" of one form or another (Sumerians, Greeks,
Chinese, early Hebrews, Vikings, Aztecs, Incas, Eastern
Woodland Indians, and Eskimos - just to name a few!)
About the ONLY ancient culture who held forth a "blissful"
afterlife was the Egyptians (from whom we get the entire
concept of "heaven", with some input from Persian
Zoroastrian beliefs.) Who is to say that the Egyptians
were right, while all the other ancient cultures were
wrong?
And I'd say that the afterlife WAS something that the ancients
may have been more knowledgeable about, than people are
today... most of their beliefs would have been (at least related
to) shamanic exploration, NOT the proclamations of money-and-power
hungry professional clerics (as modern religions tend to be!)
Maybe oblivion doesn't sound so bad after all? THINK about
it!

B-man

P.S. Please note that the Egyptians (who pioneered the "blissful
hereafter" idea) were also the first people to hone PRIESTCRAFT
- with full-time, paid professional clergy - into a freaking SCIENCE.
(In fact, the Roman Catholic clerical system is a direct descendant
of Egyptian priestly hierarchy, did you know that?)
After all - who's going to part with 10% of their income (or more - WAY more, depending on how greedy the "Church" is) just to be told
that they are going to spend the rest of eternity stumbling
around like a zombie in a gray wasteland, irrespective of how "good"
(read: OBEDIENT to authority) or "bad" (read: DISOBEDIENT to authority) they might have been in life..!
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Re: Reincarnation who needs it
Reply #33 - Oct 17th, 2006 at 4:46am
 
I am happy with my truth. I prescribe to the belief that 'you create your own reality' and 'you live your own truth'. I have been feeling vulnerable lately and I have been letting you get to me with some of your posts but its going to stop now! I've come on this forum to mix with a variety of people but I do not think the majority of the people on this site think the way you do. While respect everyone's views if I listen too hard to your view I undermine my own conclusions. I've had a rare good day today, so I'm in a better mood  Cheesy

I have a far more vast array of sources of information and even personal experience to call upon than just Victor Zammit's site. From the way I read it he does pity the sceptics. He continues to do what he does with indifference to sceptics, but since they attack him it is reasonable that he defends himself, as is anything else in life.

Regardless of sceptics attacks, like minded believers continue to converse on the subject anyway. I reguarly listen to a radio show called 'Ghostly Talk'. They are all about researching the phenomena and interviewing ghost hunters, people who use ITC and EVP. Occasionally they interview psychics. The show is on independent radio and is produced by volunteers. They do not jump to conclusions reguarly, although I would call them believers but moreover they love the thrill of 'investigation' and discovery. This is a similar attitude to the one that I have. I am also sceptical of people like Victor Zammit, but the difference is that I see him as an investigator and researcher. I do not think he is foisting beliefs on other people because it is evidence that he deals in. You may see the evidence as inadmissable but I see the material presented to correlate well to much other stuff I have encountered and believe it is credible.

P.S. I did not really mean that I would commit suicide just to avoid being around sceptics (Its just that you fired me up with some of your comments and that link to the anti Zammit site).  I do not KNOW about the afterlife for sure, but I believe that there are people who know alot about it. A few of them are on this site I think. I appreciate that you have a different view but you're not going to change my views, ok? If I am wrong then its no harm to you so why would you worry Huh

Peace,

NSD
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