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B-dawg
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More thoughts on Cryonics...
Oct 6th, 2006 at 8:18am
 
I'm getting more and more interested in cryonics these days.
So much so, that I'd buy a contract right now if I had the money
to do so. Maybe cyberbegging this idea might just be weird
enough, that people would make contributions?
Imagine how worldly-wise I could get then, with an open-ended
life span..! Anyway -
Imagine that I DO get cryo-preserved. And it is 300 years, say,
before I am re-animated.
During that 300-year interval, would I have any "afterlife" experiences,
or would it be like a coma? (Would I be "officially dead" by metaphysical
standards, or would I be in a state of "suspended judgement" - as it were
- until I was either re-animated or the enterprise failed and my body
thawed and was buried/burned?)
Any thoughts on this one?

B-man
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Reply #1 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 8:51am
 
Hi Chumley We all have to die,when we have finished this life,i would not want to live any longer than i have to,i dont want to die yet ,but the afterlife is for all of us one day,so we can all go somewhere better. Gods beautiful heaven.

Love and God bless you juditha
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Reply #2 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 9:52am
 
B-man,

There are so many variables involved.  What if you are revived, but stroked out?  Couldn't move a muscle?  Live like a vegetable for years while they analyze a man from 300 years ago?  What if there is a holocaust and you froze yourself early (before actual death), but then had your frozen body destroyed anyway years later?  Or an electrical/power problem sinks the chamber?  You feel this earth life is precious.  Good.  So do I.  Live it.  Live it well.  Don't entertain thoughts of "being cheated," or what sensuous thrills you have yet to try - Live honestly and explore life and love.  This should content any man.

Worldly possessions, sex, all manifestations of the physical world have their place initially to explore, then to keep with us but go beyond, as we realize that they are not ends and goals in and among themselves.  This is why the rich media stars are so miserable all the time.  You grieve for the slain six year olds - and it is from your heart.  Yet instead of fearing the unknown (death or afterlife), why not live life to the fullest till its end? 

If someone could preserve your spirit/brain in a cyborg, it wouldn't be worth a damn if you didn't pursue love, grace, and forgiveness.  Existence solely for the sake of existence (or for fear of death) is always a hollow one.

Matthew
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Reply #3 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 10:16am
 
B-man,

There are so many variables involved.  What if you are revived, but stroked out?  Couldn't move a muscle?  Live like a vegetable for years while they analyze a man from 300 years ago?
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-I'd like to think that by that time, medicine would have advanced from
the rather pathetic, glorified-1930's level it is today, so that being "stroked-out" wouldn't be an issue. Of course it would be a risk of such things I was taking, but isn't existence all about taking risks?

Worldly possessions, sex, all manifestations of the physical world have their place initially to explore, then to keep with us but go beyond, as we realize that they are not ends and goals in and among themselves.  This is why the rich media stars are so miserable all the time.
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-Yeah, poor little rich boys. Pitiful isn't it? Tongue
But you must realize that material things are what I live for. Can't
imagine EVER tiring of worldy pleasures, Doc. But if you can, then
you do your thing, and I'll do mine. (And BTW, you wouldn't vote
to BAN cryonics, if the issue ever came up - would you? Some
religious types would, as I understand it. Funeral industry doesn't
like cryonics either - but I never felt the need to support my local
embalmers. They do well enough for themselves, as I'm sure you
can imagine. Not exactly a business that's at risk of running out of
clients..!)

If someone could preserve your spirit/brain in a cyborg, it wouldn't be worth a damn if you didn't pursue love, grace, and forgiveness.  Existence solely for the sake of existence (or for fear of death) is always a hollow one.
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Words, words, words. (Sounds like a platitude to me, Doc...)
What if that "cyborg" wasn't the tin can you imagine, but a
souped-up version of the human body - "Homo Excelsior"
if you will? Have some IMAGINATION, dude!!! (You sound
like you've watched too many old 50's sci-fi movies.)
And who is to say what is "hollow", and what isn't?
"Nothing is true; Everything is permitted"
-A.O. Spare

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Reply #4 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 11:22am
 
Ok.  I'm happy to agree with you, Brendan that you are entitled to explore your materialism if that is what you are about or "live for."  I would defend your right to do so. 

I used to think that some of the talk about PUL and other higher virtues were platitudes, as you say, until I did some exploring of my own.  If you haven't felt it in your bones, then my words, or anyones' words will feel/sound like canned platitudes. 

Ever read the story of Yertle the Turtle as a kid?  (Dr. Seuss).  I have a 3 year old, so it was on my mind recently.  He was a mean turtle in a pond who had to be "king of all he could survey."   In order to do so,  he had all the turtles stack themselves on the shells and he would climb on top to be king of all he could survey. Well, wouldn't you know it, the turtles obeyed his commands, until the back of the one on the bottom gave out, and Yertle fell splat into the mud.  This happened in part, because no material gain of height was enough for him.  Eventually this fall into the mud, dethroned him.  Such a simple child's story, I love to read to my kid, but there are take home lessons in it for kids about the pursuit of materialism, sensualism and greed at the expense of others or "higher values." 

Explore our world of materialism, Chum.  But you keep coming back here - you must have an interest in it.  What do you think guides you or keeps you interested in this website?


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Reply #5 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 3:16pm
 
Hi Chumley it would be similar to the cybermen ,who featured in Dr WHO,they had a human brain inside metal caseing,but no emotions,i know this is only a science fiction programme,but thats what it would be like.I would not like to end up like that .

The world would be a mass of merciless hate and killing,there would be no meaning to life as we know it anymore,the world would be destroyed within days of this happening.

We were born to choose between love and hate and machines would chose hate everytime,it would be the greatest tragedy to happen on the earth plain,all human pleasures would be gone,never to be acted out anymore.

It would definetly be hell created on earth,give me real human emotion anytime,love is the only thing that makes you feel like its worth living,without this theres nothing but emptiness and darkness.

Love and God bless you,may God shine his light in your heart.  Juditha
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Reply #6 - Oct 7th, 2006 at 2:44am
 
Chumley:

I would think that your soul would leave your body as soon as your pulse stopped and you were pronounced clinicly dead. I would think that the scientists  may be able to keep your body frozen, but I am afraid that by the time they revive your body, your soul will be long gone in the afterlife. I dont think we (scientists, general population) have much say in this; it's primarily up to god. When our time is up, our time is up. Maybe they could revive your body and bring you back as the mindless, braindead zombie who looks like chumley and "it" could star in horror movies?!

Another point, from what I understand there are levels in the astral realm where one is allowed to act out ANY and EVERY earth desire for as long as they wish. Your thoughts instantly materialize. AND........you can even have SEX!!!!!

They call these parts the lower realms, appearently, the more "evolved souls" tire of these petty earth attachments and have no desire to relive them. That leaves more room for souls like  yours. Imagine......just thinking about a bikini babe, a beer and a large screen t.v. and then they magically appear!

They don't subjectivly force all to listen to harp music either and like attracts like, so you will find your kind of people wherever you choose to go ( the land of sex, drugs, n' rockin 'roll).

So, maybe heaven isn't all that bad afterall!

BD Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 4:01am
 
[quote author=baby_duck link=1160137110/0#6 date=1160203445]Chumley:

I would think that your soul would leave your body as soon as your pulse stopped and you were pronounced clinicly dead. I would think that the scientists  may be able to keep your body frozen, but I am afraid that by the time they revive your body, your soul will be long gone in the afterlife. I dont think we (scientists, general population) have much say in this; it's primarily up to god. When our time is up, our time is up. Maybe they could revive your body and bring you back as the mindless, braindead zombie who looks like chumley and "it" could star in horror movies?!

Another point, from what I understand there are levels in the astral realm where one is allowed to act out ANY and EVERY earth desire for as long as they wish. Your thoughts instantly materialize. AND........you can even have SEX!!!!!

They call these parts the lower realms, appearently, the more "evolved souls" tire of these petty earth attachments and have no desire to relive them. That leaves more room for souls like  yours. Imagine......just thinking about a bikini babe, a beer and a large screen t.v. and then they magically appear!
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Of course, that "bikini babe" would have no objective existence of
her own... she'd just be a projection of my own mind (i.e., a glorified
blow-up doll.) And I'd KNOW it (unless my concious mind was cleaved
from me per "divison theory", and I lacked the ability to make rational judgements. NOT something I want!) So once again, I'd prefer working cryonics - sorry to say, B.D.
What good are those things, if you have no will of your own? (What good
is ANYTHING under such a restriction???)

B-man
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