In light of the recent spate of murders (the Amish shootings, the bum
turned molestor/shooter in Bailey, CO ect.) some comments on ultimate
reality are in order, I'd say.
Firstly, that these shootings are WEIRD. I mean, murder happens each and
every day, but they killings are getting weirder, no doubt about it. Makes you wonder if it is a "sign of the times."
In any event... imagine being f***ed out of your earthly life before you even get a chance to ENJOY the glories of C1, as the victims of these shootings did. If there is no reincarnation, I hope they at least get the opportunity to PERSONALLY torture the perpetrators forever. If there must be a "hell", let that be how it is! Still this woud s*ck as they'll never get to know what earthly pleasure are like, except from stories told by other "spirits." The bad guy would still WIN in this case, no? After all, he'd have gotten those kids better than they'll EVER get him - they  just get to make his "life" as a mind-fractured, free-will-lacking "ghost" miserable (so what?) while he took away the most precious thing they would ever have - their PHYSICAL LIVES.
On the other hand, reincarnation would allow for TRUE justice. Not only would these victims get a second chance at the mind-blowing pleasures of good honest PHYSICAL reality (unlike the pale grey hopelessness of being a dis-carnate "spirit", enslaved to "Yahweh" forever and ever and ever) but they might even get to PAY BACK the perpetrator (say getting to repeatedly bomb, machine-gun or sword-gut the guy in various wars that occur in the time periods the two of you incarnate into - chosen by YOU, of course - NOT the perp! - or what have you.)
Worst of all, the victims might be required to FORGIVE the scumbag perpetrators or burn in hell themselves if Christianity is true (Yahweh, if you're reading this - you're a PUKE. Go ahead, d**n me for saying so..!)
No reincarnation? No justice. If the answer to reincarnation is NO... then I hope with all my heart, that's because mechanistic materialism is true and we all just get snuffed in the end. 'Nuff said...

B-man

B-man,

To me, your posting is basically asking the same question as in my recent one (Is There Retribution In The Afterlife?) which has thrown up some very interesting replies, with differing opinions. I thank all of you who replied to that.

Although yet another horrific school shooting incident in America (why is it that the gun culture is so prevalent there?) some would say that this was preordained with the various Spirits involved as lessons to be learned for their Spiritual development. You may find some answers if you re-read my forum posting again. I certainly did.

From a personal viewpoint I am saddened that your posting language is very offensive in places, especially on a forum like this. I am sure you could have achieved the same without using expletives - no matter how upset you are by what has happened. I`m sure we all are.

roger
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Sorry 'bout that Rog, but it's just me being me. I'll keep being me
until I get thrown off this forum. If so, so be it...
What particularly makes me mad, is the one where a worthless BUM
took that girl's life away from her, perhaps to leave her a mind-fractured "shade" wandering in "Nergal" for the rest of eternity. (Assuming that "God" really is the pig that Western religions describe, and you only get one shot at C1 and then "heaven/hell.")
A... BUM. I despise and loathe these lazy, dirty, useless bags of filth, and I'm proud to say so! Useless street garbage, society's rotten flotsam, good only for stinking up the streets and intimidating people with their incessant "panhandling." Scaring women when they can (they are usually too cowardly to mess with a man.) Lurking in alleys and on foot-bridges after dark. Sticking their dirty faces in your car window at busy intersections. Defecating on sidewalks. Spreading drug-resistant diseases. And you know what? I think the "Bumfights" videos are FUNNY. Losers getting what they deserve... mockery and belittlement.
We used to lock them up in looney bins where they belonged, and now we let these sub-humans roam free since the 70's. Blame the gun culture or violent movies if you want, but I'd say political correctness is as much to blame here, as anything else...

B-man

B-man,

At least I do respect your honesty in how you are and how you feel about things.
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-If you only knew the power of the Dark Side...
(At least, it is WAY more satisfying - for me anyway. Wishy-washy
never did it for me..!)

Sadly, what you describe is the way our world is going under much mis-government. Are there lessons in there somewhere for all of us to learn?
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-Yes, I strongly believe there are - IF we can reincarnate, and don't get
stuck in a "netherworld" or "heaven/hell" scenario.

B-man

B-dawg wrote on Oct 4^th, 2006 at 6:08am:



All I will say in response to this is that I will continue to do to them as I would have them do to me....and I'm exceedingly thankful  that after working in downtown environments and interacting with many such people that I do not have the same blanket conclusion as to their worth and value in the eyes of God.

B-dawg wrote on Oct 4^th, 2006 at 8:04am:




Out of a huge number that I have encountered and interacted with, only a very few would possibly fit your description. 

I would also add that more than a few are more than what they seem to be...of course, that is from my "Western Christian" faith.

The barometer of the Godliness of a society is in how the most vulnerable, weakest, or poorest members of its ranks are treated.