To start this discussion I borrowed from another thread some thoughts by Caryn and Spooky:
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Reply #15 - Sep 29th, 2006, 2:23am  
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Spooky, you mentioned Myths on the other thread and Myths is the start of the non-form into form process.  Also, emotions are addressed in that there same thread; unfortunately I cannot give as much detail as I would like too but for now lets look at myths as taught by Steiner;

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Such an exposition of the content of a myth must not be confused with a merely symbolical or allegorical interpretation. This is not intended here. The pictures comprising the content of a myth are not invented symbols for abstract truths, but real soul experiences of the initiate. He experiences the pictures with spiritual organs of perception as a normal man experiences the representations of material things with his eyes and ears.

Just as the representation is of little value by itself if it is not activated by perception of the external object, so the mythological picture is of little value without its activation through real occurrences in the spiritual world. It is only with respect to the material world that man at first stands outside the activating things; on the other hand, he can experience the mythological pictures only when he stands within the corresponding spiritual events. To be able to stand within the latter, in the opinion of the ancient mystics, he must have passed through initiation. There the spiritual events which he sees are illustrated as it were, by the mythological pictures.

Whoever is unable to take mythology as such an illustration of true spiritual events, has not yet advanced to a comprehension of mythology. For the spiritual events themselves are supersensible, and pictures whose content is reminiscent of the material world are not in themselves spiritual, but are merely an illustration of the spiritual.  

Whoever lives only in pictures, lives in a dream; he lives in spiritual perception only when he has reached the point of experiencing the spiritual in the picture, just as in the material world one experiences the rose through the representation of the rose. This is also the reason why the pictures presented by myths cannot have only a single meaning. Because of their illustrative character the same myths can express various spiritual facts. It is, therefore, no contradiction  
when interpreters of myths apply them now to one spiritual fact and again to a different one.  

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“Evolution isn't a progression to ever greater and greater differentiation but ... is first an ascent to a higher point, and after having reached this point is then a descent to more and more simple forms.” — Rudolf Steiner
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Reply #16 - Sep 29th, 2006, 9:59am  
My love to you too Caryn  xXx
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Reply #17 - Yesterday at 8:17pm

Hi Caryn,
thanks for Steiners take on myths. I agree myths contain a meaning which, after translation, can result in several different meanings. I don't agree with his opinion that mythologic pictures are or represent real spiritual events; this may be, but it may be not. Also, "reality" must be defined, what is meant by it, when exploring the nonphysical and/or spiritual it can get difficult to find a meaning for it which is practical of use. Myths in my book are the residues of a different perception of the world than today's predominant- let's call it the mythic worldview (not "mythologic", that would be when the mythic worldview has started to fade, so people don't live in it fully so a system of the mythos has to be written down, a "logic" of a mythos). For example, the world of ancient greek gods. I don't think only a few initiated lived in it. Steiner obviously preferred to give mythic/mythologic a narrow sense, the sense of esoteric-exclusive wisdom. Mythic worldviews differ in many points from today's western predominant, for example there seems to be a different perception of time, circular, so that when at a certain day in the year there is a feast of a god, the deed this god stands for is happening again, every year. Or the mythic space/location, a god can be in many places at the same time. And so on. A typical Christian mythic perception is for example the ritual of breaking the bread and drinking the wine, then Jesus is present, in and through the wine and bread, every time it is done, there is this different perception of space and time. Much of what here on the board is told and believed comes near mythic worldviews, so it may be our task to combine the mythic and the philosophic-physical worldview into something new- both have it's goods and bads. However, it's a different meaning of "mythos" than Steiner gave to it.  

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Hi everyone, hope you are all well  

Bets, its great you have moved this thread here.  Myths talk to our soul spirit and we find all the ancient myths relate to the same experience; the passage the spirit takes to get back to the soul.

The first Myth i would like to put forward here comes from God .. here we can see and feel therefore a Myth is not make-belief - Myth is the telling of the spirits sojourn and in order to intrepret Myth's correctly we need take off our physical eyes and look with our spiritual eyes;

The first sacred Myth;
Genesis 1-5

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
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Spooky, thanks for your reply, always well written with much thought and understanding.  And Bets your intelligent ponders very healthy.  I hope to show here that it is through Myth that our spirit relates to its soul.  These Myths are communicating to our spirits that have times and times again wandered in and out, past and forward.  As you said Bets in a circle but we find in all myths the spirit does break out of the circle and joins its soul.  But the path is long and cannot be speeded up and your wonderful statement .. if we participate with full conscious .. in nourishing our spirit our spirit does not become wayward it becomes fill of purpose, understanding, meaning and direction.  

The ancients knew this very well, ah they were closer to the Godhead.  This day we take the challenge to find our way back to the Godhead through all the materialism that exists around us.  The challenge is greater, are we not blessed because of this?  

And Spooky; what does it mean to us that we are not taught these Myths anymore in the classrooms of childhood school?  Does it mean that our spirits create modern day aliens as our modern-day Myths? Nay, these alien Myths are relying on spirits who have lost the ancient way of spirit feeling for these alien Myths do not soothe the soul as much as they would like too.

Anyway, my thoughts, my ponderings and my love.

Spooky what a wonderful brilliant posting you made.  I so admire your soul intelligence, and Bets and Dave and everyone here, your soul intelligence shines forth, it is truly wonderful!  (And not only your soul intelligence)

You spoke directly to my soul Spooky and I appreciate your wisdom.  It is a funny thing to call myself someone who (part) lives in the future while at the same time being wrapped up in ancient myths.  Now, Spooky when you say mythic-thinking societies are resistent of change; i say to you it is not change they are resistent to - it is the suppression of the soul through industrialisation that mythic thinkers are concerned over.  For in this natural evolution of change it is easy to forget the soul and the soul that is pushed into the dark cries out for substance that it may say to the physical person wherein she dwells .. I am.

Without recognising the I am in us the physical person will look for signs of divinity on the outside of itself without listening to the soul that dwells inside and finding the signs and seeds of life there.

Mythology needs time and gracious leisure for it to connect to the soul.  And in most cases people do not have this luxury nor the urge to delve into this realm.  This is understandable; but should not get in the way of nourishing the soul.  And there are many myths that are with us today wrapped up in modern day symbols and literature, all these have come through the ages in people's souls who express themselves creatively.  Here, when one comes across such literature and symbols, the soul will recognise it and it is up to the modern brain to understand this recognition and be alert for it.
For really it is like falling into a deep, blue ocean of serenity.

Just as your post said Spooky.