hi Dave. I think we come to a point where we notice everything physical here is corruptible, subjected to change with time. as I got older (I'm 59) I felt younger inside due to spiritual studies and meditation and all of that, but the body didn't move as fast as it used to, so we have to slow down when we are no longer spring chickens and we notice things that used to stand up get pulled down instead.  none of us have perfection of body and I certainly realized the models on the magazine? they touch them up and make them look perfect; you should see them in the morning before coffee; lol.  my guides said focus on whats good on you, maybe its not your skin, but maybe you have a goodlooking nose, or long fingers to play the piano with, or excellent hips that don't need replacing; theres so many positive things to looks at.
and then a good friend who is 64 took up roller blading   our friends can influence us to think younger as I asked myself, well, why not? although I wouldn't take up roller blading myself, I totally support strange older folks who roller blade as age appears to be nothing more than a belief system. even the idea I have that I should slow down when I get older, thats most likely a belief system which is limiting me.
I'll have to study it some more to make sure.

Dave, when you high tail it out of here, will you miss your body? this body served me pretty well, but I don't think I'll attend my own funeral as I don't want a funeral anyway. Gordon's book, Eternity, How To Enjoy it, tells of disembodied spirits coming to look upon what has been cast off, fascinated with that mass. it is interesting I must say but the body is not our intrinsic self. I can't wait to get on the other side and change my hair color everyday without having to go to the store for the hair dye!  ok, not a spiritual goal, but who said all goals had to be spiritual?

Hi Alysia-
Heck yes I'll miss my body. It's been a remarkably reliable vehicle, and in spite of all the crap I've put it through, it has kept on going, has repaired itself really quite well, and in general has been more faithful to me than I to it. But then, I'd miss my car if it fell off in the middle of the freeway.
dave

hmmm, doesn't an acorn turn into an oak tree, strong and straight and lasting perhaps centuries, one of the most preferred and beautiful woods that we enjoy?
I wouldn't mind being a tree in that case

Juditha! u got your picture up! yaaaahaaayaa!!!!! and most lovely you are. was I any help at all? I do like this picture better than the other one.

Hi alysia thankyou and you are lovely too,and i agree with you i like this picture a lot better than the other one,i have thrown the other picture away,not a good one at all so i wont miss it.
You did help and bruce helped me as well.
Love and God bless you aylsia Juditha.

Hi, Recoverer
You forgot that time doesn't exist there.... future and past are only a concept of our physical brain.
Claudio

I will be cremated upon leaving this physical world. Why take up space in the ground and I will not miss my body. It's only a vehicle for my soul and I'm not attached to it. I look forward to the day I'm in the afterlife.

Namaste, Mairlyn

(I originally posted this under the other reincarnation thread by Juditha, but I feel it is more suitable under this generalized thread on reincarnation.)

I believe that I have raised this question in a previous post, but I may need a little bit of a  refresher: 

Where does our initial karma stem from? For example, if we are in this Earth Life System until we have satisfied our desire to be here and have balanced out our karmic debts, then where does the first karmic debt stem from if we start out "without" karmic debt? Furthermore, do we decide what karmic debt we will take on before starting out on our first adventure into this Earth Life System? 

From what I gather it logically has to be the case that we start out with a karmic debt that we choose to work off through various physical incarnations -- a sort of fabricated/staged/illusory karmic debt. For instance, beings we all start out our existences as  pure/clean/untainted sparks of energy/curiosity venturing forth into reality/the unknown; (no karmic debts to speak of); now we enter into the Earth as pure innocent beings with no past incarnations from which karmic debt can be balanced/released. Henceforth, due to the fact that at this stage we have nothing to work off "karmically" does it then follow that we must have chosen staged karmic debts to work off prior to our first incarnations? For if not, we would have nothing to work out/balance out. 

If it were the case (and I don't see how it couldn't be) that our initial karmic debts are staged prior to our first physical incarnations, then it would mean that karma itself stems from staged illusions... which follows that all aspects of karma are therefore structured illusions. So, how could the illusion of karma dictate an inevitable reincarnation? Logically speaking, the deciding factor of reincarnation must always be of the free-will choice of the "incarnee".

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Claudio:

I considered the time factor. Here's a possible chain of events.

1. Bruce Moen incarnates and has a liver problem.
2. He retrieves Joshua.
3. Joshua gets healed and Bruce's liver problem goes away.
4. Joshua returns to his disc, has a life review, that sort of thing.
5. Joshua decides it is time to incarnate again and decides to incarnate as Bruce. He will bring his liver injury with him. But hey-wait a minute, didn't he have that injury healed shortly after Bruce retrieved him and before he returned to his disc? Why would he carry it over?

It is possible that Bruce had a liver problem because an earthbound disc member (Joshua) who had a natural energetic connection to him was experiencing the memory of an injury incurred at the time of his death. 


Claudio Pisani wrote on Oct 7^th, 2006 at 8:38am: