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Reply #15 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 8:53pm
 
Caryn, concerning your considerations about these websites:

I haven't read them (went only on the site of "tranceformers" and was maybe too much blinking and advertisement for me), but what you've told sounds like the usual crappy stuff. But I must comment, there are certainly people who think that what you told from the Osirian scripts and other sources is just the same. I personally hold this for re-tellings and blendings of myths. Myths tell us quite a lot, but not when taken literally. When taken literally, it's either a fantasy story (I prefer Tolkien, "The Silmarillion" too has a creation myth in it) or it is turning into some authoritarian narrowing simplistic heroic belief system with the good guy and the bad guy, which, as usual, don't address the ancient philosophic question why the heck the all-wise Godhead had allowed to let the bad guy do his dirty work.
What the genetic engineering belongs, since a very long time humans do breeding, plants and animals, most before they knew that they do that, it's just a rule of nature. That's also changing the genetic pool, only slower, by selection. It's a human culture technique. So the DNA manipulation is not different in principle (nature is doing it all the time). Therefore, I don't understand the principal moralic difference in changing the creation by inventing the tire or inventing genetic engineering.
I don't believe in doomsday. Everyone has his/her own doomsday (or happy day) when one physically dies. Therefore, a collective physical doomsday with disaster and then division into the good and the bad, or the unenlightend who have followed the deceiver while the the enlightened are so lucky to have followed the right guys is just silly, childish and overfluid. This is just end-time drama and I don't know why people are so fascinated in it- it shows the unawareness of the own mortality, so it's needed to be the collective happening; and it shows self-centeredness, which cannot accept that the world keeps on turning when they had left.
The myth of Atlantis (yours sounds very much like Cayce) is a very common one. You can find it in the myth of Adam and Eve's exile of Garden Eden, or Prometheus. The pattern is always the same. It is the feeling of guilt, or at least the suspect to be guilty, that started since mankind became aware to be "different" than the animals, by having language, the ability of imagining/planning; to be aware of death and killing, to be aware of individuals. Since this sort of separation from the rest of creation the humans feel guilty of misusing the creation, and they fear any of their technical means could be not in order with the moral of nature/creation/god(s), especially when it's a new means and not consecrated by tradition. As you see, i view it as a general attribute of mankind and not as a problem of a single new technology.

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Re:  ..so what do genetics have to do with pa
Reply #16 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 10:53pm
 
betson wrote on Sep 27th, 2006 at 10:28am:
Never Say Die,
You might want to start Dr. Harper his own thread here. He's got alot of interesting material, it appears. His site appears new and should get even more interesting when he gets some comments going.
Thank you for pointing out his site.
I see alot of people here transforming, just as Dr. Harper cites. I don't know if their personal reasons for spiritually developing include preparing for 2012, but they could.
Regarding the DNA exiting thru the pineal --that was personally extremely important to me as I've had some trouble with that area and will now concentrate more on healing that area.
Re: the completion of the 5,125-year cycle in 2012 on 12/21 at 11:11---- what happened 5,125 years ago?  Adam and Eve?  Noah? Don or NewKnight or anyone, could you help us with that?
If we look at the beginning of our current cycle and time previous to it, perhaps we could gauge how much change will be imposed at the end of it.
Thanks for bringing it to this site.
bets



Hi Betson,

5125 years ago puts us pretty close to Noah and the theorized time of the Biblical flood.  Not far at all, in fact, and close enough to the range to make it plausible.

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Reply #17 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 2:59am
 
Morning  Smiley

lol I thought I might get come back from my remark :  The US Government is Divinely guided by God.  Part of me is Aquarian and Aquarians live in the future;  The US is also Aquarian and lives in the future .. and no, Spooky I haven't read any literature about what you said.  But this applies to all the wise rulers of the Nations.  We need to come together as people of the earth; we must stop internal political squabling and put our trust into our leaders and pray continously for them.  The US Government is very God-fearing from the insights I have had, they prayer a lot for guidance.

It does not help for peoples opinions to go anti the leaders choices.  Trusting in our Leaders is the  honest way to go.  Any other way will cause choas and confusement at a time when people look towards the leaders for guidance.

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Reply #18 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 3:34am
 
Spooky, I hear what you say.  i am just one voice in a billion, you have heard what i have said - if in a time you are faced with multiple information situations the information i have supplied might enable you to sift through thought process together with your personal information and arrive at a conclusion (even a temporary one) that resonants and sits comfortably with you.

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So the DNA manipulation is not different in principle (nature is doing it all the time). Therefore, I don't understand the principal moralic difference in changing the creation by inventing the tire or inventing genetic engineering.


Dangerous territory this (playing Gods) your comments in brackets is the truth - nature is doing it all the time - and this applies to our DNA.  Everything that happens to us, is part of a growth path suited to our unique pattern that affects us personally and our DNA.  We take the outside into us - very important as this is the only way that the lessons in life totally absorbs our whole being.  Not some mass human population overhaul.

We must understand as well; in Earth there is a mixture of evolving souls - we are not all the same.  Some need this and some need that and this comes from outside happenings (that happen for a reason) that we take in personally for our own growth or deteriment.  This is the poetry - not mass genetic engineering that wants to make us like slaves (yes slaves)

But this genetic engineering does not apply in certain live saving medical situations.  Just wouldn't let anyone touch my DNA here or there.

It is co-incidential that you have brought up the subject of myth.  I would like to reply in the thread we a currently talking about under retrievals wtc.  (although not quite the right place hey anyhow seeing its started i'll answer there)

And to reply to 'the guilt' subject you brought up I'll reply under 'retribution in the after-life' topic.

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Reply #19 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 8:56pm
 
And since when the US becomes the chosen country of God....which means of course that there are countries that are not divinely guided by GOD...        "The US Government is divinely guided by God" I have to LOL sorry
Such strong remarks need strong evidence...especially when they concern a country that has bombed half the planet after WW2...such love is unbearable!!!!! The US acts exactly like any other superpower in the past...it takes by force what it wants and I am sorry that everyone in the whole world can see it but you... You may want  to take a look at this.

http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/usbomber.htm

Oh and something final.... you said...

'Trusting in our Leaders is the  honest way to go.  Any other way will cause choas and confusement at a time when people look towards the leaders for guidance.'

I guess that was what the germans in WW2 believed....way to go!!!!
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Re:  ..so what do genetics have to do with pa
Reply #20 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 9:47pm
 
Hi Caryn,

>>>Trusting in our Leaders is the  honest way to go.<<< Caryn, I'm from Germany. Know what I'm talking about? You might understand that this is a  too much for me. That cannot be the lesson Germans should have learnt, to trust the leaders (right Antwnhs). Never again. Don't trust the leaders. Trust yourself. That means firstly to discover yourself, which is hard enough and seemingly never ending. But it's the only way of progress, and progress is needed I think. The details, well, that is discussionable...

>>>Aquarians live in the future<<< I know, I am one too (if this makes any difference?!).

Caryn, I'm not speaking for undertakings that would produce a mass of clones. Actually, most of the genetic engineering is done to provide some industrial seed groups pretty much money. I'm not for this. I'm speaking generally. If, in thoughts, viewed from all angles, something is beneficial for humankind, why not? Of course, be carefully and sparily with this, as the ecologic system is complicated. Additionally, humans are part of nature aren't they? As such what humans do is also natural. So, "natural" or "not natural" is not an argument for debate, but it's what we WANT our world should look like. A professor in a lecture I visited put it that way: "If people would be free to determine genetically what their children should look like all women once will look like Sharon Stone" Lol, besides that he told about his own taste, he's basically right and I don't want that. But I don't see this either at any point in the future.
(But, genetic engineering means not necessarily cloning.)


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Reply #21 - Oct 1st, 2006 at 4:01pm
 
Moving back toward the central issue, genetic factors, the discussion has demonstrated several interesting things thus far, things that precisely exemplify the genesis of both ourselves and our context.

Starting with human experiences, we tell others about what happened, and they take our remarks, add their own experiences and repeat them. Eventually, certain topics appear in a consistent manner. Others put these into settings by which they are more easily expressed, and myths are born. Myths generally carry characteristic ideas that our culture espouses. Some are useful, some are not. Eventually, the useful ideas prevail because they pay off. Those ideas eventually get embodied in customs and flokways, and then in traditions and regulations. Thus, our social world is a genetic laboratory of perpetual testing and replacement.

In the same way, given a social setting, we have various physical and mental traits. Just as ecological systems evolve in which certain insects pollinate certain flowers etc, we grow into our social context and attempt to fit in sufficiently to build a good life. Physical and mental factors that fail to pay off are rejected as we choose superior options. In reincarnation, we carry the problems of the past into those choices, seeking to find a better way to live, and making the process of personal growth a part of the selection process.

Our mental, physical and social life is shaped and guided by genetic selections at every level, and where we start is the outcome of millennia of comparisons and choices made socially, chemically, physically, mentally, and spiritually. These circumstances define our starting point by cause and effect, and by conditioning as we learn to become social human beings. After that, contextual influences slowly recede as we grow, until finally we face questions for which there are many equiprobable choices that have never before been faced. This is the expanding wavefront of reality, viewed from inside where we deal with it.

Accepting that we are all manifestations of God, the expanding wavefront of reality for us is also the expanding wavefront of reality for God. As we make decisions and solve problems, we act in the stead of God. Edgar Cayce referred to this as being "co-creators with God". In this role we have whatever information we can glean, whatever education we have experienced, whatever experiences we have endured, plus whatever study we make in order to get more information and advice. After that, we have free will to choose what to do next. And that expands the universe by one more decision.

From this perspective, genetics seem to be the objectified selective aspect of karma, simple cause and effect through which we evolve. In fact, we can see this thread leading to this (or an equivalent) conclusion. As Mr Spock would put it, "Fascinating!"

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Reply #22 - Oct 2nd, 2006 at 6:46am
 
Smiley The realm of politics.

Antwhs i was not specifically saying the US is God's choosen land .. All the countries are.  The US has reached its stage of democratic intelligence and therefore will come into a turning in of its self and the self is spirit.   And spirit is God.

It is wrong to say do not trust in the Leaders because this is anti-progress of the spirit.  It is this very attitude that causes splits and drifts.  How can the Divine lead with people tearing it apart?

To give an example of South Africa;
We went through a terrible stage of apartheid, as the rest of the world has too being in the grip of Mans opinion and selfishness to rule for his own glory.

Today the African National Congress is South Africa's Leader.  And i tell you the change of government in 1994 could have been a bloody one.  For as far as colour goes the whites are in the minority and could have been wiped out - as Zimbabwe is doing right now.  Blessed are we that the ANC is a God-fearing leader and they have stood firm with the foundations of The Freedom Charter that we see being implemented in SA society today.  Well thought out plan of action for the people of South Africa and it is working and filtering through to make peoples lives better.

Now, we are going through internal rebellion with Jacob Zuma (our ex- deputy president) who was fired from the ANC last year because of his corruption charges amongst other sexual charges.  Zuma let the power go to his head and this was his downfall from his position in the ANC.

Further throughout the year Zuma has been campaigning to start his own political party - to do it his way.  He caused a split in the ANC and the people have been thrown into a political cause when all they want is a better life and Zuma reckons he can fillfull his promises to them.  Although the man has a record of corruption.

President Thabo Mbeki, in his wiseness (for he is an extremely wise leader) has taken Zuma back into the ANC fold so has not to split the people who are just finding their feet.

Now, you might say .. political manoeuvre's this is all what is happening.  But can i say look and feel with your spiritual eyes not your physical eyes.   Everyone in this country (the God-fearing people that is - and it is a God-fearing country) prays for God to lead the ANC.

Nkosi Sikelel'i Afrika - May God bless Africa.
Is our National Athem.

How can we expect God to answer our prayers if we do not trust in the ANC who have proven themselves to be God-fearing.

So maybe you might think its simplistic and i know there are scars and cuts and still problems to sort out but in the long run it will work with people trusting the leaders who trust in God.

Spooky you Aquarian you should relate to this  Smiley

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Reply #23 - Oct 2nd, 2006 at 1:35pm
 
Hi When my dad was alive ,he had no time for any goverment,he always said, whatever goverment there is,they have all got one thing in common,they all take you up the road and rob you.  Roll Eyes

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Reply #24 - Oct 2nd, 2006 at 2:20pm
 
Dad was right jude thats for sure i dont believe any of them  Grin
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Reply #25 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 5:20am
 
Roll Eyes  well now if we lived in a moneyless society ....

Positive thinking never harmed anyone - right?
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