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Sep 23rd, 2006 at 10:12am
 
Alysia brought up this topic under another thread, and I've always wondered about it too.
Can we expect Disk members to show up in both our earth families and our other existances?
Is DNA a way of organizing the big soup?
Has anyone ever asked their HS or guides about this?
I think we may have talked about this previously but the answers and thoughts didn't stick with me, maybe because i couldn't accept it at that time.  Could we please talk about it again?
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Reply #1 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 1:49pm
 
Hi Betson-
This is a popular question for scientists. People often die in eg. China or India and are reborn here in far too little time for their DNA to physically traverse the distance between death and rebirth.

What seems to actually be involved is the "energy pattern", which is mostly a matter of potentials and tendencies, literally potential energy captured in information structures, through which the nature of the actor tends toward this or that nature. The potential energies then shape the probabilities for rebirth and when the correlation gives a greater probability of physical presence, as opposed to reduction of spiritual potentialities, the psyche identifies with extended matter and gets born again. Thus, we can carry any attachments forward as part of our "definition", but we seem to select DNA according to whatever fits our nature adequately (although not always well) and then take on the rest of the body as it "crystallizes" in the field of potential energies. - However, this is only a personal opinion based on my own clinical work. There are probably better explanations.

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Reply #2 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 7:16pm
 
actually of the DNA only 2% of it has known functions to us...98% we humans with our superior mind call it Junk DNA simply because we don't know what is its purpose...we presume it doesn't do anything....but everything has its function especially when we talk about our genetic material....I strongly believe that what we call junk DNA includes properties such  as our personality, fears, past life memories perhaps..everything is in our DNA....
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Reply #3 - Sep 24th, 2006 at 10:45pm
 
Antwnhs, I agree that it's silly to talk of "junk DNA". Would be better to call it simply what it is, DNA we just don't know what it does.
I disagree with "everything is in our DNA" in case you mean it like the saying "it's all in the brain". "DNA" and "brain" are terms which point to certain, materialistic-physicalistic defined things. DNA according to the common definition is a sequence of bases, brain is a grey mass of many cells with lots of connections and activity in it- in short, of course. You don't find consciousness in it, as much as you look for it there.
I just want to put forth the awareness of a category-failure which is so often made nowadays where we have such fantastic technical means, but unfortunately basic philosophical thinking is forgotten in that enthusiastic materialistic research.

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Reply #4 - Sep 25th, 2006 at 4:04pm
 
My personal tendency to discount DNA comes from two causes.

(1) If I die in China today and am reborn tomorrow in Ohio, my DNA has had insufficient time to transit the globe to make physical contact by which to transmit my nature. The argument that we are carried forward by purely physical means, transmitted in chemistry, doesn't work.

(2) I don't believe in a material world. Like many physicists, such as the late John Archibald Wheeler, I view reality as an information structure that just happens to have certain tendencies by which the interaction of subsets can be characterized, and which we interpret as extended material objects. In this model, DNA is a long logical statement that leads to formation of many similar statements (RNA) and so on, until eventually it all adds up to a definition of you and me.

This is rather similar to the idea that everything is "Mind", except that as we look backwards into the nature of "Mind" we find that it coincides with the notion of "God". Thus, I tend toward the old Hindu rishis whose take on reality is that we are all "dream images, flitting through the mind of God".

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Reply #5 - Sep 26th, 2006 at 4:03am
 
phew

I do think our Blood is the carrier of our DNA and our blood family is our chain.  Our Etheric blood highly spiritualised in order carry on the chain.

I agree the term 'junk dna' is not the correct term, at the very least its a bit degrading.
The two strands of the dna is interesting; the second being a exact duplicate of the first almost a 'back-up' copy.

my two pennies worth lol

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Reply #6 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 9:11am
 
We're talking DNA are we?  Wink

Dr John Jay Harper really inspires me with his research of DNA. He basically says that we are interconnected through DNA.
DNA is a liquid crystal that is immortal. DNA is alot more than just what makes up the physical body.
http://www.johnjayharper.com/thebutterflyeffect.htm

Also there is alot about DNA on this page, referring to Earth Changes and 2012.

http://www.2012.com.au/DNA_upgrades.html

I'm impressed with this knowledge / theories but what do you think?


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Reply #7 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 10:28am
 
Never Say Die,
You might want to start Dr. Harper his own thread here. He's got alot of interesting material, it appears. His site appears new and should get even more interesting when he gets some comments going.
Thank you for pointing out his site.
I see alot of people here transforming, just as Dr. Harper cites. I don't know if their personal reasons for spiritually developing include preparing for 2012, but they could.
Regarding the DNA exiting thru the pineal --that was personally extremely important to me as I've had some trouble with that area and will now concentrate more on healing that area.
Re: the completion of the 5,125-year cycle in 2012 on 12/21 at 11:11---- what happened 5,125 years ago?  Adam and Eve?  Noah? Don or NewKnight or anyone, could you help us with that?
If we look at the beginning of our current cycle and time previous to it, perhaps we could gauge how much change will be imposed at the end of it.
Thanks for bringing it to this site.
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Reply #8 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 10:40am
 
I have read the site and the links.  From the information written here I am sadly horrified at the propaganda that it puts forward.  From the information supplied there is balant mistakes and mis-information about our Creation.  I see now where some peoples head space is - woe!

This, to me, is exactly as written in the Osirian Scripts (how dare they profane these names, how dare they profane the Knights Templar) and notice not once is the name of Jesus Christ written (but saying this they will just slot it in)

Osirian Scripts:  In these subterranean passages were Satanku (this site and links balantly claims they come from Satan) and his astral entities of evil able to manifest to the uninitiated population, and by seeming miracles were they able to poison their minds (medicine/drugs advertised on the site) so that they forsook the true teachings of my father's teachers and followed after Satanaku, who promised them all sorts of rewards in return for the trust and obedience they placed in him.  It was in these temples of black magic that Satanaku first ordered human sacrifice (DNA operations)

Lots more I can write against what is written in this site.

This is extremely heavy stuff people - all I can say is, i have point my opinion across in no uncertain terms, please be careful - things that seem to glitter like gold turns out to be false.  This closer than just a website although it is only as close as we let it be.

I have had enough evidence of some people here who write about aliens and further insight to a name that has been mentioned here by a alien believer, as well as the regarding to Christ - to know I am speaking the truth.  I will not back down on this.

To the Master Teachers of Earth

This book (the Osirian Scripts) is dedicated to the Adamic Master Teachers incarnating through the co-Adamic race upon Earth, that they may from age to age remember their oath to God that they shall from time to time return upon Earth together with their co-Adamic and Gentile brethen, keeping alive the flame of the True Divine Knowledge and teaching the customs and laws laid down by the Father King Initiate, Adam-Ptah-El Dauod.

"The Latter Days" are come, the days of the co-Adamics and Gentile divine sparks, when they must choose between light and darkness, God and anti-God.

For a season more the Sons of God shall tarry upon the Earth, hear ye them when they speak wisdom of the Spirit else will they be taken from you in the days of chaos and confusion that will come.

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Aye, and in those days there will be great wonders and signs and false prophets and people will say look here and look there - BELIEVE THEM NOT.  As Jesus Christ told us.

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Reply #9 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 7:47pm
 
Hi Caryn,
There've always been a variety of beliefs represented on the board here. I'm surprised that you feel outrage at this thread of exploration. To me Harper's take on the Mayan calendar is just another explanation of the physical measurable hints we get pointing us to higher truths.  Huh What am I missing?
I googled the Mayan calendar and ran across an artist who, when he started working with the calendar's symbols, tuned in to a flow of communications that more fully explained the information encoded there. A similiar situation happened to me while chanting. Have you also received more information through Osirian or Steiner's channels than what you were reading in published words?  You certainly sound more authoritative than the Caryn who used to gently guide rambunctious S and others.  Smiley
We all hope to grow here. It seems that DNA is still a mystery, for example and to get back on topic, that leaves many clues that can help us do so.
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Reply #10 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 8:02pm
 
I've heard the DNA is receiving, processing and permitting informations through a very weak but coherent light-field. This is based on research by Fritz A. Popp (hope the spelling is right), his field of work is living systems and their interaction and/or dependance on light, especially ultra low intensive coherent light, called "biophotons".

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Reply #11 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 3:25am
 
Hi Betson, Spooky and all

Bets I am just a person who lives in SA but I cannot deny my sense of injustice towards God and mankind when I read this misleading material.  It is shocking.  To advertise the 'upgrading' of a person's DNA, through medicine into alien valley operations and pretending to offer all these wonders of higher powers, even change the way a person looks - smacks of anti-God.

On top of it the further mis-information about Adam and Eve and the very history of our dear World told by them is a cold calculated lie. 

And what I see here is exactly what happened in Atlantis - we are going back to the point of our world karma with trash like this.  So, its the same thing playing out again - we haven't moved infact the background is different that is all it seems.  It is each of our responsibility to change this.

In that day, when Adam and Eve where visiting other spheres of gross matter,  Satanku who was viceroy leader with Yevah desired to speed up the process of evolution.  They collaborated together to create material bodies.  The result was that Satanku's imperfect knowledge of creation caused the most terrible bodies to be produced, and even the evolving divine sparks refused to have anything to do with the monstrosities created.  Satanku, in his subtlety had caused an electric envelope to materialise round the world in order that communication with the other spheres should be cut off and his deeds go for a space unrecognised.

His plan was successful in part, except that he had ruled out the power of the Godhead.  Who had seen his misuse of the power of free-will and warned El Daoud and his twin spouse eternal to return to the earth plane.  The sight which awaited the Father-King was terrible to behold.  El Daoud commanded Yevah and Satanku to destroy utterly all those vile productions and commanded Yevah and Satanku to be bound in the astral region of the earth until that day that is to come.
Only Yevah was conscious of his fault and deeply regretted his folly.

Does this 'promise' of higher powers not sound the same as this?
The anti-forces do not care one jot for the sufferings of mankind.

So, I say these things to you all as a warning of the folly of messing around with God's creation.  Each soul is precious - look after yours, guard it with all your life and be on the look out for these things that prey on vunerable souls.  Be strong and allow Christ into your life, it was for this reason he was sent to us.  Nothing is greater than his love or power.

The 'latter' days is the shift of ascension from the Sun Being in Pisces to the Sun Being in Aquarius - and with it will come fountains of learning and love, aye with hard times too but this is how it has been and this is how it always will be until that day.  Unless the wrath of God intervenes before then.

Be awake and aware of the trickey; the rest is for you to decide.

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Reply #12 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 7:32am
 
Im sorry to go on about this - but I find this www2012 website to be over-the-top.  What must the US government think - I can only wonder.  You know, I firmly believe the US government is Divinely guided by God.

Copied from the title Mother Ships around from the website
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You are under arrest under international jurisdiction for this reason. Now those of you, who do not stand down, within the next 36 hours from the time this notice is placed at AbundantHope, will not only be arrested, you will not receive justice in the universal court system of Nebadon. You will be given your hasty trial, and the only choice you face is uncreation, in these circumstances.  This is by order of Ashtar, of the intergalactic Federation of Light, this order comes through the Galactic hierarchy of Orvonton (see Urantia book), from those that have a higher jurisdiction in this arena than does Christ Michael. I myself, am also an American, in addition to my ranking with Ashtar Command. I will not further identify myself at this time, but you will know that identity publicly when appropriate to do so. I AM  Admiral Jhonka, of the Ashtar Command


Ashtar = Fallen angel and grand duke of hell.

People are being used to channel this stuff.  Either its a bunch of bored teenagers who have created this or it is being chanelled from the astral regions of deception.  What a espionage against the Ruling Nations of Earth!  One thing is certain if it is the workings of the anti - they are bound in the astral regions forever until God moves swiftly over them.  This means they can only work through people - and all those people that call themselves lightworkers ... you are being used.

I have said enough on this now.

May God's Love and His Son Jesus Christ be with us.

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Reply #13 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 3:02pm
 
"The US Government is divinely guided by God" ...? - Oy Veh! - God DOES have a sense of humor.

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Reply #14 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 6:08pm
 
Unfortunately, I must tune in Dave's choir. To start a war with a bunch of lies, cheating and lying before the own folks and the whole world (well and I guess Powell is even the most honest man of that crew; btw greatly supported by Blair who is not without cause called "Bliar" since then)- then, abducting some people and arresting them for an unlimited time without the rights the US is so proud telling everybody to fight for- is that the way god shows us the way to the light? If this is according to the great plan it's wisdom is well hidden from me.
I don't hope you are believing the things I've read in esoteric literature, that the US is going to lead the world into a new era of Christianity to bring back Garden Eden to earth.

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