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Does Bruce Moen communicate with his higher self?

In his book he speaks of speaking to different guides such as coach, visiting different places, and speaking to the planning intelligence. But I can't recall if he ever speaks to his disc in a higher self sense.

If a disc can do things such as create probes, couldn't it communicate to us through dreams and other means?

Even though I've received lots of messages from my guidance, I've never met a person. I figure this is because my higher self exists in an oversoul/disc manner, not in a personal manner.
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Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2006 at 7:50pm
 
Very thoughtful and interesting question, Albert. I am curious for a reply.

I, too, see my higher self, oversoul, or what you would like to call it, as impersonal. I generally consider it to be a kind of collective, which can bring whatever kind of influence into my life which is helpful, and which looks after and appreciates my existence in a profound way which merits further exploration.  I consider it to be a greater intelligence, which is the result of an expanded awareness, due to the complexity of its components, and its position in a realm beyond time and space.  Of course, Bruce has been of immeasurable assistance to helping me to view possibility quite this way, as he has done for many others who have helped me here. Although impersonal, I view this higher self as a beacon of love and understanding to me, which I reflect as often as I feel my connection to it. Without this connection, I would say my existence is death; however, with this feeling of connection, I would say that I am completely alive. However, I see myself as connected at all times, in all places, with or without my awareness. It is truly a miracle.

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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2006 at 11:53am
 
Blink:

My higher self has suggested to me that it is as you say, a collective.

It has also put in a good word for Bruce Moen on more than one occasion in various ways.
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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2006 at 1:54pm
 
recoverer wrote on Sep 13th, 2006 at 3:06pm:
Does Bruce Moen communicate with his higher self?

But I can't recall if he ever speaks to his disc in a higher self sense.

If a disc can do things such as create probes, couldn't it communicate to us through dreams and other means?

Even though I've received lots of messages from my guidance, I've never met a person. I figure this is because my higher self exists in an oversoul/disc manner, not in a personal manner.


Recover; i'm sure he as spoken to Bruce more than once.
You talk about guidance...Your HS IS YOUR GUIDANCE.Who could guard you better than the real you? IMPO only your HS has a vested interest in all you do. I also believe that when your HS wishes to commune with you directly ..he/she or whatever you think you are THERE, will take on the guise of one of your other incarnations (maybe)...YOU may be told your guide is  ex: Two Feathers, or a Native American of the Mohawk tribe or someone from the 1700's era, or a Knight Templar; but what you probaly won't realize is that all of those  souls are YOU in another incarnation/past/present/future.
As an example when i was doing Guidance at TMI, in F27 ...was net by 2 of my guides and during that encounter, they both merge together and then with myself, ...bingo.. then i realized we were the same person.

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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2006 at 2:35pm
 
Thank you for your response Romain. I agree with what you're saying. Especially the part of who can look out for us better than our higher self (plus what our higher self connects to on the other side of the disc).
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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2006 at 8:11pm
 
Hi,
I resonate with you all.
As for recoverer's question, I remember Bruce wrote that when he started his TMI sessions he heard a choir of voices, saying: We love you. At other times I remember he was always talking with members of his higher self ("Disk members").
My contacts also started with meeting helpers, which I know they're members of my "big I". I guess there is also a different approach to the higher self, I think I had some glimpses of this, but it's more difficult because it it is to such a high degree different to human-human conversation.

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Reply #6 - Sep 14th, 2006 at 11:04pm
 
thanks Romain, you brought clarity to me just now Smiley as your experience is so similar to mine in that another part of me had or is living another life, what we would most often call a past life, but linear time now begins to fade for me. but it is still me and I call him DP, and I try to explain this in the book, we are one person but also higher self, or maybe call it unlimited self? although C1 one is limited consciousness awareness, we can tap into our greater selves. seems like we don't 24/7 but hey, now and again is good too.  so u say that you merged right away..that's good, you realized right away something. I did not right away..more like 5 years but I'm ok with that Wink

well I don't think I'm thru merging..lol....I met Gordon's higher self too. he said he merged the two. His name was given as Henry, like I gave a name to DP as dead preacher. then I was given a name for DP. David C. Jordon (have to check my dream manual) I am checking on that name but have to admit it freaks me out so havent checked it much. this life alone keep me busy, so I filed away the info for research.
dying to see (pardon the pun) whether David's writing style was like my earlier style. yegads.  Shocked

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Reply #7 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 11:47am
 
Yes, I'm sure that Bruce communicates with his higher self just as we all do although some people are not conscious of this fact.

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Reply #8 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 3:05pm
 
Friends, hello, saw this thread and of course I had to throw in my two cents.  HS has never appeared as a person to me, more as a radiant sphere more or less made of consciousness/intelligence.  It doesn't act like a guide but as a source/data bank.  It never guides but it does answer questions.  Does not seem to have an agenda, as guides do, other than absorbing all the experience you can throw at it.
Romain's point: I have heard others say past selves seem to be guides and are capable of merging, as Romain does, but that's not been my experience.
Alysia: what did "my" HS look like to you?  Curious.

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Reply #9 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 4:08pm
 
Hi there Gordon! Smiley  first I missed you and so glad u stopped in, even if it's just today Smiley your higher self we used to call Henry. now don't know what to call him, but I got the name from you. so pardon me if I'm amiss as names I suppose don't matter much, but energy signatures are better to understand.
he might have been like your disc member. I think of him as a stand in for you as there are many occassions we simply dont remember until later.

he wore glasses at first, then I didn't notice glasses later. light brown hair I think. the lighting is different when I'm out, often dim, like a higher astral plane I'm thinking, I don't get much color when I'm out. 5'7, I'm thinking as slightly taller than me and I'm 5'6" and I measured myself to you that way I'm thinking unconsciously. weight was proportionate to height, stood straight, sharp dresser, or neatly dressed, manners, nice face, regular. the thing I remember the most was not physical traits but the energy signature, your behavior and the way that you communicated and that you liked me Cheesy  or I should say, you had PUL. I think we all do, but in your retrieval work I would expect to observe PUL as an active thing in you and easily observable. I wasn't dissappointed.

what is interesting is this other part of you took your cues from me while you reflected my belief systems back to me in your behavior.  in other words, it appears more often to me that in partnered exploration or astral traveling, we reflect each other and I used this info as guidance because its a rote to follow to my own inner being. so early on I said you taught me something, therefore you had been my teacher. I am sorry I probably confused you to say that. to me we are all teachers and all students at the same time.

later, I saw you out there as you look right now in a picture I once received. Smiley
oh yes! while you or your other self was out there you caused books to be stacked up around your shoulders while I pondered how you did that! it was fun! I've read we can create images around us out there, build houses, etc. so I'm used to it now.
I can never thank you enough, or Henry, or whoever, for this experience. love, alysia
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Reply #10 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 5:12pm
 


Related to the below, I remember the first time I realized that my dreams were created by an intelligence beyond my own little intelligence (after three back to back dreams that were really intricate). My awareness expanded and I felt like I was in touch with my I-there (I hadn't read anything by Bruce Moen at the time and didn't know about discs.). I heard voices say: "Yea! You finally made contact with us." They seemed happy. I asked some questions and at the time it really felt like I was communicating with them and they said that I was talking to my I-there. But then my awareness restricted and I had my doubts. I didn't have these doubts as I spoke to my I-there.  The first thing I heard when my dreams ended were, "Just as you found inconsistencies in the dream, find inconsistencies in the waking state."

[quote author=spooky2 link=1158174409/0#5 date=1158279079]Hi,
I resonate with you all.
As for recoverer's question, I remember Bruce wrote that when he started his TMI sessions he heard a choir of voices, saying: We love you.
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Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 7:18pm
 
I remember Bruce wrote that when he started his TMI sessions he heard a choir of voices, saying: We love you.
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Hi Spooky and Recoverer: I've found this above in Bruce's books is something that struck me as revealing the oneness or connectiveness of all humanity and perhaps not just the disc, which can be thousands Bruce said once. some things I forgot that I read..other things, like the above stay with me all the time. I thought that maybe we were the choir of voices which called out we love you because here we are, talking about PUL and so its possible anyone drawn here is part of the larger disc idea because we drawn to afterlife exploration methods and ideas here as opposed to say other kinds of focus'es and explorations. I know I learn from all of you. always have. this board is like a spot of sanity for me. like a calm river I can watch flowing whether I truly "belong" to a specific disc of Monroe or Bruce or not, I like being here and I like Monroe's and Bruce's books because they just say go and find out for yourself.




"Just as you found inconsistencies in the dream, find inconsistencies in the waking state."
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I like the above Spooky. I can see a whole rote in that. an entire 2 hour meditation for sure. would you be saying the inconsistencies are like doubts?
for one of my homework plans, I got the idea from Bruce to put doubts in a make believe basket beside me when I meditate, then if I want, when I come back I can pick up my doubts again. however sometimes when I come back there a few less doubts in my basket, thats cool. or hows this: I got this idea same place. have a conversation with your conflicting belief system, your I/there. I'll make one up right now. the way it works for newbies if you're reading is to be gentle with doubts; not be as in blind faith to explore, but eyes wide open to see if your belief system serves you well or not. if it doesn't serve you, you tell it "thank you for serving me so well, and now I have to lay you off work, you've done a great job, now I believe something else that will serve me better. its sorta pick and choose your belief system that way.
heres a conversation between I/there. and Spooky and some others do this already it seems to me:

I: I'm going to hell.
There: ah, is this soon or after you croak?
I: wait. this is hell right now!
There: very observant of you: so are you expecting us to help u from hell?
I: hows about a little slack...
There: hey, you know we can't interfere with your experience of hell.
I: c'mon. I'll let you!
There: Look, it is an appearance of hell. Hell only exists in your mind. its not a place.
what do you want to believe?
I: that I'm not in hell?
There: wow! thats a good starting point!
I: starting point? starting makes me think of finishing.
There: yes?
I: duh....
There: weren't you going to "finish" that thought..?
I: sure. everytime I sink lower than a tadpole in a swamp, I look back later and see how fast the hellish condition changed so that I wonder how I could have felt that way, that hell was the truth of myself. then I never sink that low again, but I can still go into a lot of doubts which cause me hell, but for shorter durations of time. so I guess the point is to figure out what you believe, and what you want to believe and see if there is a conflict in that and if theres is, work with the conflict by taking some action to reduce it. reducing the size of hell, he he he he. do u think I'm funny?
There: we've been putting up with your bad jokes for many lifetimes. but yes, you are funny. there. feel better?
I: I really think I'm funny and apparently you don't!
There: we love you whether you repeat the same jokes or not. don't worry, whatever it is dear, this too shall pass. ta ta...we are always here.

love you guys....always...this board too. alysia


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Reply #12 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 10:00pm
 
Hi people,
these helpers I had identified as members of my higher self, they can merge with me out there. With one of them I do this regularly.

Like Gordon wrote, these helpers don't give me direct advice what to do. If I ask about where I am with my life, and/or purpose, I either see a symbolic scene which mirrors my personality with the add: "It's allright. You're doing well." or I find out something due to specific questions- so I somehow knew the answers in a way already. And yes everything of me is gathered and stored. It was once as if the higher self, or the collective, expected changes caused by my input, and not only this more of information alone, but that these infos are causing new interpretations of every other information of this pool.

These helpers had one (or more) lifes on earth (with one exception, one helper have had none). It's a difficult question if I should say they're me, or they and me are members of one greater being, and those members are very close due to this membership. I, as this C1 person, am not these other persons, the other members of my higher self. But, in a different sense, we are one in the higher self and I guess we couldn't exist separated.

Recoverer, what you've said sounds familiar to me (except that I'm not so much into dreams as you are). The final message is interesting, it reminds me of a fantasy story I've read once, where people were living in a simulation and they sometimes discover "gaps", things that are inconsistent, and that caused doubts in the realness of their reality. Like reality is just a dream sort of thing, or at least not principally a different category.

Alysia, your thinking about this board, together with connections of souls and how much more we are than physical reality is to apply our spiritual insights to that what's happening around here in the physical. You gave us a lot examples of that in your posts here!
And yes I did a similar thing like you wrote in your dialogue, I too was in a hell-swamp and I noticed nothing is forever here in C1, and when I had that in mind when I felt the bad mood is coming, then bad thoughts couldn't get me that much, and I found it was given to my hands if I dwell in hell or somewhere else.


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Reply #13 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 11:33pm
 
thank you Spooky. we are pals till the end. speaking about the inconsistencies in I/there, I find life is a blinking on and off of what is real to me. much of my childhood I was blinked off, some of my early adult years I was blinked off. if I'm waiting in a line I blink off to a lake scene but ready to ground quickly.

anyway thats how I think of inconsistencies here or there while in a physical body. I believe when we cross over finally, it is very consistent and blinking off is optional but not necessary. but of course I can always be amiss here if I realize how little of the big picture I can grasp.
I too utilize dream language to the max. but many remain unremembered unless I make efforts. I do consider dreams a form of guidance and remain excited with symbology of my dreams and/or obes and imagination doorways which point to a more unlimited capability of self expression.  I have a 5 year dream log pointing to tips I've gotten about what on the menu for me coming up in the next 8 to 16 months for example. just little hints and images. they call this dreaming true, yes, some part of our greater being knows everything that will happen, while we here in C1 continue to act suprised when it does happen. go figure! its still fun though.
and our greater being can include our own disc members we've been talking about, or our own lives peopled by our own selves which continue on...

sometimes u want to forget so you can be somebody else..and if we can, why not then? Smiley
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LaffingRain wrote on Sep 14th, 2006 at 11:04pm:
thanks Romain, you brought clarity to me just now Smiley as your experience is so similar to mine in that another part of me had or is living another life, what we would most often call a past life, but linear time now begins to fade for me. but it is still me and I call him DP, and I try to explain this in the book, we are one person but also higher self, or maybe call it unlimited self? although C1 one is limited consciousness awareness, we can tap into our greater selves. seems like we don't 24/7 but hey, now and again is good too.  so u say that you merged right away..that's good, you realized right away something. I did not right away..more like 5 years but I'm ok with that Wink


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Hi All;
Alysia it always amaze me how we are all intertwined here and there whether we realized it or not... Cool
You said that i merged right away.. Grin. i will not call that right away, remember I’ve  been a TMI member for years and listen/practice  the home series for a good 1 ½ yrs before taking the plunge and went  to Gateway at TMI.
Then discover/read Bruce books and started posting on the old board around the same time you came to our lives dear one, and decided to “spill the beans”. Wink
Then went to his seminar in Seattle and  2 yrs later went back to TMI for  Guideline, so you see it was not right away; it took time to realize (know this). They say patience is a virtue  Roll Eyes..

Gordon;
nice to see/hear you again; been a while Canuck friend. Regarding the guides merging; the first is always there at my place in F27, been there since I’ve build my place in F27 with a few others that I’ve haven’t find out who they are yet, except the monk (another story)
The F21 guide just came out or should i say make his presence know when i was at Guideline when we were doing the exercise to go over the rainbow bridge and build our place there for communicate, never seen him before i call him the cowboy cause he look/dress/boots etc, with the slang language too..How’deeee young fellow.. Grin, and his brought his friend dog, a black Shepard dog which has been with me since, when meditating and traveling there; was kind of a shock to see/hear him outside on the patio of my coffee shop.
The strange thing was; F27 guide appears in front of us and seems to know each other, cause they started talking and exchanging pleasantries, like old friends that haven’t meet/seen each other for a long time.
The merging happened on the next exercise when they both appears in front of me in F21 and merge together the dog was barking and being friendly like he was happy that this was happening; and then then they merge with me, i expanded/swirled upward until lost consciousness with the dog barking in the background.
Was the first time  that i've seen F27 guide in F21, he seems to be moving down or up whenever he want to. Next time i'll see if he can come down (figure of speach here) to F10 !!

Gordon one day i’ll make it to your seminar, keep me posted please.

This was supposed to be short and sweet reply but explaining sometimes take more words than expected, just wanted to clarified the “right away form Alysia’.lol

Blessing to all, Romain
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