Just some out there thoughts folks    I see words like 'Rapture' and 'Afterlife'. What about life ? Now - here and now ? If we are to focus on a 'Rapture' of the 'Afterlife' - something 'future' in a sense - what was, is the point of choosing to be here and now ? I imagine that as we near Love Itself - 'self' - the ego in a sense, 'dies'. The ego that seeks to receive more than give. Bit like the Buddhist 'beyond fear and desire'. What is it about 'Rapture' or seeking Afterlife 'knowledge' or experience that motivates anyone ? Giving or receiving ? Ego or Other ? I think that Love expresses itself most truly in the giving, and in that giving, Love 'receives'. Gotta take that lil 'ol seed, stick it in the ground, let it die, that It may truly Live - Love 

Just thoughts.

God Bless ALL 

jgull2a

I think you make a good point.  We're here now because this is where we need to be. We'll gain much more by growing in love than by visiting spirit realms that we'll have all of eternity to explore. It's good to gain some confirmation of the afterlife, and some people play the role that people like Bruce Moen play, but for the most part we'll grow if we focus on the here and now.


Jgull2a wrote on Sep 7^th, 2006 at 6:18pm:

Hi Recoverer 

I am not saying people should not seek experiences. I don't know about Bruce to tell the truth or his work, though will become familiar with it. I just think that this life is the experience we are living now, for very good reasons and we need to be aware of that - live for the moment - carpe diem and all that. The lesson is to a great extent learning that - live in the moment, the present - the day that is a thousand years and thousand years that is a day - 'eternity'  Depends on the perspective. Do I experience a 'day' or a 'thousand years' ? We all have perspectives and can all give each other a glimpse of something the other might miss. Giving it, as you rightly say, in Love    I think this is a lovely place. The Christian boards I've been on do more fighting and wrangling amongst each other than anything. It's pathetic and tragic. Christians can put people off. I don't think we should judge Christ or His message by Christians though. LOL

Well, I think y'all know what I mean.  I will be burned at the stake and sent straight to Hell for a zillion eternities for that lil remark 

Night from here.

God bless you all

Hi everyone   .. Ow, nasty bite you have there Shirley  

Jgull2a is it not wonderful that the Bible is a spiritual book   Thank you for the clarification of Paul's teachings to a Man and Woman. Being a woman; it is one of my favourite writings in that it tells us of many truths.  i'm not sure what mysogynist means (its not in the dictionary lol)  but yes! Paul was rather a strong character wasn't he .. but then he was talking to the Romans and i suppose a character like that was needed.

You know it's a funny thing how people get all heated up over the name Jesus Christ .. strange how it stirs up the emotions.  Through my studies i've realised that the Gods don't particularly like us! We bother them and we can be rather irritating at most times to them; after all why should they share their heaven with us?  Ah well, this is my reflections - each person to their own interpretation.

The Bible, received by Moses on Sapphire tablets, is a most wonderful poem from God to us and has survived many years, 3500 odd years up today.  That must be a record!  And in this decade of ours it is equally inspiring to find that it is such a multi-dimensional book.  

I have made a post in the past regarding the mistranslation of the Bible.  I cannot say if it is true because it is not from the Bible and God might not agree with me.  I write of it again because many times i feel it is confirmed;

It comes from the Osirian writings, i have posted from this book before and find it runs parallel to the Bible and adds further enrichment.  The mistranslation is:

Mark 15 v 34
The Death of Jesus

It is written:
Jesus cried out  “Eloi, Eloi lema sabachthani”
“My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?”

The Osirian writings say it should be:

Jesus cried out “Lem zabachthani”
“My wounds will be kept open by those who defame me”

A every so slight difference making a huge difference.  Ah the confirmation hurts.

But now, here i go talking about my passion for Christ where some here have said they fear the things they don't want to hear.  It's very hard to keep a woman's mouth shut lol

Oh just before i go ... Alysia we do seem to be sparring partners don't we   lol it is just your statement that i cannot ignore as much as i have tried too.

Quote:


You have said a truth here Alysia but i say too you, in the context of your full post, how can we expect to receive the parts that only suit us and reject the whole?

Please do not think i am fighting with you - i voice my pov as part of a healthy discussion.

My love and appreciation.
Have a wonderful weekend  

this has turned into interesting thread..never a dull moment here!
I re-read Juditha opening post and wish to give her credit to peak our interest. long time ago I realized something ironic..the original poster can feel strange when their thread goes wandering off to Kalamozoo, but my perspective is that it was supposed to wander off and its perfect.
Juditha, you mention swirling clouds during the rapture. this is an image or a symbol for what folks try to grasp. I would say the rapture is in truth something that happens to the individual heart in it's own time and place, like an inside job rather than an entire culture, country or the entire body of Christ for instance. I say this from my perception that there is division in the churches and that the rapture is another word for new agers expression of the shift in consciousness..a very slow progressive journey taking centuries of time in a linear sense. although I concede there are some (blinded by the light) can receive a jolt of electricity and change their dirty low down ways quite suddenly!  that is somehow hilarious to me although it must have been a rude awakening as well as painful and quite near death's door.
my opinion I am my worst enemy and my best friend, no one can save me from my own beliefs, and if I believe in heaven or hell I will gravitate to locations where I see these images around me that I am where I believe I am. all the more important to focus on what beliefs bring in harmony within yourself, and as many say here this is a lovely and loving place, so long as we focus on that it remains so.
we here on earth are making it all up. so the now moment is important to recognize what we are thinking and feeling in the now, as the now becomes tomorrow, if you recieve the gift of tomorrow as, well, death can be sudden if that's on your map.
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I don't see us as sparring Caryn. any book I read I have to take what's useful in it and toss the rest as not useful or until I can eventually catch the deeper meaning that has been interpreted by another person exactly like me, who can also misinterpret. I don't discredit the entire bible. if u accept every single word written by anybody at all as infallible and absolute truth a person could fall into a sheep mentality or a blind faith mentality. the bible is only a book to me like all the others. the symbology takes years to decipher, even the scholars can forget its about love and the golden rule. as far as I'm concerned  if someone wrote a book that said "do unto others as you would have done unto you" or "love one another as you love yourself" and they wrote no other words, then it should be a best seller but that will never happen!

I don't see why Christians or non Christians or whatever label one chooses to put on themselves can't talk though and maybe that day is coming, then we'll have that peace on earth idea the bible talks about.
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quote from Caryn:     Jesus cried out “Lem zabachthani”
“My wounds will be kept open by those who defame me”

A every so slight difference making a huge difference.  Ah the confirmation hurts.
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was wondering about the above statement Caryn if u could tell me why you say the confirmation hurts. I'll give my interpretation which might not be the same as yours, but might be fun to compare.

when J says my wounds will be kept open, I think I have that correct to mean suffering would continue on the earth among the body of Christ, but in a wider sense, all of humanity is "the body." the 2nd part "by those  who defame me"  means this to me:  J had Christ consciousness. he spoke of PUL. those who suffer are suffering according to traditional religious concept because they have denied that J is "the way, the truth and the light as there are bible passages that say these words although I'm not a scholar. defame could mean to actually put someone down in judgmental way.
what has gotten misinterpreted down thru the centuries is that J's way is the only way. Christians have pride and yet they will point at a non christian and say that person is the one with pride. J never said it's my way or the highway, or you are going to roast in the fire, because his love was big enough to encompass even non believers.

the main thing I want to thank J for, personally if possible! is that he left the holy spirit with us...to me the holy spirit can unite all of us by a "knowing" and such a state of peace and understanding and love that you can pick up any literature at any time of the century and have bells going off what the truth of it is and how god is impersonal yet personally tailor made for each at the same time.
thanks for sparking us off Juditha..u may be one of these 

my apologies Deanna.

Hello on this day.

Shirley and Alysia you have each asked me a question to my last post here and the answer may be found in the insightful link that Jgull2a posted entitled "Therapy of Love and Enlightment"

Quote from link http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm03.html:
The entire life's review would have been emotionally destructive, and would have left me a psychotic person, if it hadn't been for the fact that my friend, and my friend's friends, were loving me during the unfolding of my life. I could feel that love. Every time I got a little upset they turned the life's review off for awhile, and they just loved me. Their love was tangible. You could feel it on your body, you could feel it inside you; their love went right through you. I wish I could explain it
to you, but I can't.

Further to you asking Alysia .. as much as the love goes right through - so does the blasphemy.

Yes; it is a good link that and i wonder if this is the reason why I am thinking of the field Akeldama written of in Acts 1.

Is this day dark as the night is long?

Dear Recoverer.. you said

this is what/where my head is at, this statement each NDE, each person is an enigma to scope out and draw the connections to humanity as a whole. whatever beliefs I hold, that is the same to me as holding up my cup to be filled with the measure of my own thoughts/ideals/aspirations. only what I can conceive of being, doing, only that is given to me.
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moving aside from Recoverers statement... 
when I started writing a guide came and told me to concieve, not document. Extend, do not react. thought about that awhile. didn't just want to write down something somebody else said I thought was true, but just my own experiences which are always true, but only for yourself.   I am not the moderator here but I can smell something cooking..lol...
when a person makes a judgment about another publicly, it offers the other person a challenge to defend themselves. whenever one says, you are this, or you have that, try to qualify it by saying I could be wrong, or this is my opinion..then that gives the other person an in without making them become defensive. I think asking a question is better than firing a gun then asking questions later.
we've got mysticism and christianity attempting to balance here from my pov. let's just do it with kindness since we like to talk about love here I'd like to observe it in action and I don't think I'm the only one would like to see that.
we hardly know each other. these are just words out in cyber space. what do we really know if we put all our knowledge in a basket would it really be that much?
I see no reason we cant all be here, and holding diverse beliefs. what...is this another holy war? why do we repeat the same wars?
shirley, don't leave. I swear this is not the church which disappointed you so badly but this is a brand new ball game.

and now for the disclaimer; these are my opinions and observations and not necessarily those of the managment