Hi Deanna This is certainly ,something to think about,there is something coming along,I can feel it ,and it could be this. The world cant stay like it is forever,it will change,this will happen in time.The revalations are there for a reason,to show us,so we know whats coming.Love and God bless you Juditha

You are right, newwayknight..

Another thing to keep in mind is that that belief states only Christians will be saved.  Anyone who does not "believe in Jesus" is hellbound.

Revelation is an ancient book, written in a tumultuous time.  The times of Roman emporers.  Most likely the "beast" was Nero himself.  If it was ever a prophecy, it was fullfilled long ago.  Remember..it is said that Jesus said he was "returning soon".  I don't think over 2000 years is "soon", thereby making it either false or completed.

Its a very narrow view of the world.  One that I came out of, thankfully, as it was destroying my very spirit and soul.

Do I believe changes are coming?  Emphatically, YES!  There is an ascension of many..and many are aware of this.  Those who are, are deemed heretic by the fundmentalist Christians who believe the rapture is going to take place and all the "evil" will then be punished for eternity in flames and brimstone.

My own explorations of the afterlife show that this is not the case.  I've seen the unbeliever not in a fiery hell..but in a wonderful place in the spirit world.  That in itself contradicts what the bible says will occur.

Spirit is love..not causing destruction to its brother and sisters here on Earth..

There are a lot of Biblical scholars who don't support the rapture concept.

The concept didn't even become popular until Hal Lindsay made it popular around 1970, mostly through fiction novels.

To give you an idea of how it motivates people in an unloving way, Ronald Reagan didn't believe that he needed to worry about things such as the economy and environment, because the rapture is going to bring everything to an end anyway. Too bad for people of the future if he is wrong.

If you consider how Nero was causing Christians to go through a lot of hardship when Revelations was written, it is hard to comprehend why the author of Revelations would be concerned about what is going to happen way in the future.  Christians of the time already had their hands full.

DEANNA: I posted this article before, when you brought up the number 666. It is really worth taking the time to read. Please don't allow yourself to be scarred by the ideas of others. Certainly God is too wise and loving to set things up so that a bunch of souls get deceived by some satan critter and end up in hell for all of eternity. If you spoke to the people who teach the rapture "concept," most of them would say that most of the people who visit this board are amongst satan's victims. It doesn't matter if we're good hearted, well meaning people who want to do what is in accord with God's divine plan. If we don't believe like people who teach the rapture concept believe, we're doomed.
http://www.forerunner.com/beast/X0002_Gentry_-_Beast_of_Re.html

I must point out these verses in the Bible:

Matthew 24v40 - ... when the Son of Man comes.  At that time two men will be working in a field: one will be taken away, the other will be left behind.  Two women will be at a mill grinding meal: one will be taken away, the other will be left behind.  Be on your guard then because you do not know what day your Lord will come.

Luke 24v34 - On that night, I tell you, there will be two people sleeping in the same bed: one will be taken away, the other will be left behind.  Two women will be grinding corn together: one will be taken away, the other will be left behind.

It is in the Bible and cannot be ignored.

Bluejasn dare i say to your words the Jewish people do not believe in the afterlife; the Tribe of Israel is the afterlife.  Gentiles are loved by God through adoption.

Recoverer i'm really not sure what you mean when you say "false belief systems" in relation to God and Christ?

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I agree with you totally here and this makes me afraid indeed.  So, really what you are saying is it is better not to talk about God so seriously and concentrate on His Love. I understand this and agree again.  It's just there is a fear of God in my heart and i suppose this comes out here.

I do not mean to make people afraid (if i am) and i will check my tounge.

My respect to you Recoverer
Caryn

Hi Shirley I don't want u to feel uneasy when u come here and see the traditional collective religious thoughts..because frankly, I know you are on the same path as me and I know I'm doing ok, so I know everybody is doing ok with whatever beliefs they are holding. you're right..they are right because there are so many mansions in the sky, each one of them a belief system to be in with the like-minded.

then theres hollow heavens which may have been a stop over for many on their way to more freeing beliefs where you leave your fears one by one behind, as fears are related to those beliefs and can change suddenly. so u might see levels of beliefs when u think about where we ascend to when we're done here. all of us have equal chances to explore greater realities by busting out of ideas, whether religious, political, scientific or whatever non absolute focus we meander in.
I think the main fear, #1 fear of most people is death itself or annhiliation of the identity, such identity is really only a bunch of beliefs stuck together called "me" or you, with a last and first name.
someday, hopefully I'm still alive in body, most of us will not fear death or what waits on the other side. when that happens then the "shift" will have shifted away from the fundamental traditional collective areas into tolerance and hopefully a type of ascension out of fearful conjectures will be on the horizon which a feeling of freedom from the constraints of religious lore will cause harmony..we might even have a 1,000 years of peace llike the early Christians said..I keep worrying about after the 1,000 years, what happens? 

I completely understand your abandonment of religion as speaking personally, the hair raises on my neck to encounter a type of preaching I see now and then only because that trait was me in another dimension. I was/am a preacher, only now I'm a new consciousness as well who knows I preached wrongly and forgot how preaching can separate you from what you would love with an undistorted love. I got set straight by some life planners after I passed over and had no reward on the other side for bringing any to god, for they had found god even before me. those who preach or teach need to learn what it is they teach or preach. there are some useful things in the bible. my favorite is "even greater things than I do, shall ye do" this from J.  its true, we will do great things like healing the sick, as soon as we realize we don't need disease to teach us anything. PUL is the real healer. wish we were there now! but at the least we can focus on healing any thought which separates us one from the other..and what we focus on is what creates personal reality. ahh, but what would we talk about here, should we no longer be divided from one another?

I wish I had greater wisdom to share with you. all I can say is don't sweat the small stuff. life is short enough without doing that. love, alysia

Thank you, Alysia..your words bring a sense of peace and release to me.
You are right..shouldn't sweat the small stuff.

Recoverer..it was Paul who said that...not Jesus.  Paul, who formerly was known as Saul and a persecutor of Christians then went on to take over the whole thing.  He also changed many things that Jesus did say.  He added twists and rules that I don't think were ever really intended.

Its like he interferred with the very changes that J spoke of..the coming new times..and put it all on hold, locking everyone into a fear based belief system that has lasted for the last 2000 years.

When I finally freed myself from that..what a release!  It was J who said "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free!"  And..it has.