I almost forgot about this thread.

Mathew, I agree with you about personal responsibility.  I have never seen any kind of negative influence tag along with someone such as an alcoholic or drug user.  That doesn't mean they don't exist though.

To me it seems too easy to blame inappropriate behavior on a negative influence, demon or whatever.  "The devil made me do it."  I'm not saying they don't exist, but I wonder if the negative influence is a fragment of the person because of their own fears.  If we can split our energies, then it would seem that these could fragment into the so called darker forces because of our own fear.  In that case, it would be an aspect of the person.

I truly do not know.  I would think that some vibrations would not, could not be attracted to other vibrations unless the person created them their self.

Love, Kathy

Hi All

Lucy thank you for the information on Rosalind Franklin (im sure she would have appreciated your recognition in gratitude)  So Crick, Watson and Wilkins received the Nobel Prize in 1962 four years after Rosalind's passing.  As the report said the above three beat her to publication of the findings of the DNA structure.  Seems bully tactics were in play here .. Always though nothing can take away the truth of what happened.  Well done Rosalind.

Therefore Crick is recognised for LSD experiments.  It is in this context that Hancock writes about him.  The phenomena of 'drug land'. Hancock is of the thought we should be allowed to experiment through drugs (i say this with the greatest respects to Hancock who is always researching)

I agree with what Gary Renard has to say (don't know of him though) Reality is a projection of our thoughts .. our thoughts being spirit.  Therefore reality (spiritual and physical) is a projection of spirit.  Further i think; our projections need to be validated.  I do believe the validation is very important.  And this validation comes from a source outside of us.

However, in the context of the question: Is this (altered state) common experience a place outside the mind or is it a place inside the mind? Is related to this place that people who alter their minds go to or it comes to them.  They all experience the same location when in an altered mind state either drug or trance.  It is a strange place and with further use of drugs people it seems people are able to progress further receiving intellectual information (as Crick).

There is an interesting correlation between old fashioned fairy circles and alien abductions; saying aliens are modern day fairies. And the correlation between old Rock Art and modern day 'tripping' visuals is extremely interesting.

Hancock has no conclusion in the book except the interesting correlation he puts forward :  The Junk DNA in our make-up (80% if im correct Antwhs?) could be a dimension of reality that is switched on with the use of drugs or extreme trance.  Still not quite answering the question is it in us or does it dwell out us though (taking our thought projections into account still)... maybe it depends on what part of our DNA we switch on?

The Field sounds fascinating Doc. will put that on my reading list. u use the word stumbled and I remember being a hippie on LSD and stumbling into a sort of field of energy; a huge net like fence was I seeing; so real was it, my partner did not see it and said we could walk through it and we did, and this surprised me that it faded away. drugs were a dead end for me and all the time I was receiving guidance to be very moderate and cautious for many die through their use. but this fence of energetic composition reminded me of myself as Mind on film. all of me, for example was not thrust into the movie here. just a little individual, like alice in wonderland did wander here caught in the net, an allusion of being caught or held back. I say all of me was not here. I knew I was more than alice in wonderland and that myself watched myself, and that she was a part of god and even though I was "bad" to indulge in drugs for enlightenment or experimentation with my inner world, she would allow me this adventure and I would be forgiven automatically. still I don't reccommend drugs; they are divorced from spiritual premise for the most part and gives not much to the general public as the experiences are so personally designed and hard to share.

and I knew I wanted children and was afraid I would mess up their chromosones should I continue this way. so far as I know they are fine and I did not damage my brain cells. I hope. as a matter of fact I don't even use aspirin so turned off am I on any drug, unless its a herb and has not been touched by any but my own hand.

all that aside I read ACIM which is a heart path I'm convinced. it says and I've come to believe time/space is existant only in or minds. we have made all of this up. of coure my verifiable experience is personal, I do the dreaming true thing where I glide into events within dream which later happen the way I've dreamed them. then I did suppose at least for certain events in linear time, I have planned this on another level with my greater self. that doesn't mean I don't have my share of unpleasant surprises as I go along learning how to make the movie have a happy ending. so following my thought if u will, time is connected to space or location. location is your question; does the kingdom within exist out there? is seeming to be Caryn's question and I note she has asked this twice. (we are connected since our PE) observe when in space (a location) the astronaut comes back to earth young, while his wife is now old. this is food for thought. my other thought is that on the other side you "think" yourself to a location, while here we get in the car and drive there with a body tucked inside another mechanical vehicle. the body is mechanical too. there would appear that time/distance/location is the movie, the allusion and we buy it lock, stock and barrel for the sheer adventure perhaps. so it takes time to get around here, but instantly on the other side you may arrive, which leads me back to being a unit of awareness encased in belief systems by my own choice living this particular life time which is temporary.

love to all; the adventure continues..alysia

Hi Dave,

I doubt many ions are released if you burn alcohol over table salt IMHO.  The ionic breeze by sharper image produces a charge to particles in the air and creates a bit of ozone in the process.  

I have to say I'm not sure why spirits would vacate due to ions in the air.  But stranger things have been mentioned.  Robert Bruce, the astral avenger writes that garlic will stave off spirits (truth in myth), and that dark spirits will not cross running water.  Is that why I can relax in the shower?  Kidding.  He has even advocated setting up a system of tubes or pipes of running water around your bed or room as your own "magic circle of protection from what he calls "negs."   For me, it sounds a bit forced.  These are, afterall nonphysical negatives we are talking of.  What the heck do they care about running water, or garlic or ions.  Maybe it is the reinforcing of the belief in those who circle themselves with protection that truly provides protection.

Much like you, Dave,  mentioned in sealing an intent by drinking a small vial of water.   If I say: "by putting out garlic or ions, I hereby will not allow any negatives around this area" - it may take better, because it enters your belief deep down by sealing the intent with something in the physical realm.  

You won't catch me skipping over any streams in the near future unless I'm chasing my soon to be four year old!

Matthew

Matthew and Dave you sound like Alchemists!! what with this and that mixed in that spread over this to do that lol pulling your legs   interesting to be sure though.

Yes, yes Alysia and Matthew i agree spiritual is beyond drugs with out a doubt - a natural high we could say!  chemical drugs will end a life very quickly without a doubt.  It's just interesting how they change the metabolism into a common ground (i wont say it again lol!) So it's better to rise above and find and see things in a natural way rather.  I enjoyed your analogies Alysia .. time transformed into light really hey ...

And the question is it in or is it out .. i think we must start listening to the entities that are coming through more often now (Victor Zammit's site) and ask them ... i do believe the chemical way is in and the natural way is out ...

Phew Rick that was an experience .. it does sound similiar to mine.  Think we have to ask the Alchemists to mix us a brew here! I have two Rosemary shrubs outside my front door .. i've heard that helps repel any negative energy floating around.

All in good faith and with love to everyone.

Hi Rick,
I too was hit by the thought that she didn't want to be healed, that perhaps she needed the assistance from others, the attention and  caring that her affliction would get her, she thinks. (I knew someone like that and it worked for her for over 50 years.)
I do believe that running water affects the flow of the transmitted messages tho, and that her emotional flow might have been broken and exaggerated by spurts and bursts that got through.
My guidance told me    not to pray in the shower, to save it for singing  --- if I had too.
bets

mediastreamer wrote on Aug 31^st, 2006 at 1:15am:


There are all kinds of beings of all kinds of natures with all kinds of issues. You can read more about some of these beings and their interactions with intraphysical humans, in these excerpts from 3 books on this subject (of spirit releasement).

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It might be that alone, or just as possibly, *as well as* an intrusive entity with whom the subject had difficulties and/or karmic issues with. You see (and this is important for *everyone* to realize), as within, so without. This might be seen as one aspect of the 'law of attraction', or the principle of energetic resonance.

The reality is that it is seldom (or perhaps never) the simplified scenario of purely within (wholly internal and/or symbolic of self), nor seldom (or perhaps never) the simplified scenario of purely without (ie. Matthew's "the devil made me do it, I'm so not responsible! I was helplessly possessed!"). Because of the extremely complex, dynamic and open manner of interactions on all levels, psychic and energetic, between consciousnesses and beings of all levels, natures and types, coexisting in a interlinked, interconnected collective reality (in which each consciousness exists on the border of relativity between subjectivity and objectivity), it should surprise no one, that intrusion (including the factual, undeniable and strong exacerbative influence of intrusive energies on one's actions, behaviour and therefore karma; of which Matthew understandably takes issue with; but it is really no more outrageous than the similar influence of intraphysical delinquent company on a teenager), is almost always the result of the clapping of two hands - internal and external.

That is to say, no one is an innocent victim of intrusion, and most importantly, no one is a helpless victim of intrusion. Yes, there are intruders (ie. external entities intruding, attaching, possessing), this is an undeniable reality. But this (fact) by itself isn't the problem. It's a situation, much like physical and biological disease. Natural, only in that it is indicative of an imbalance away from the higher natural, ie. the more ideal state of health.

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Yes, there are. But again, they are not by themselves the real problem. The real problem (as far as your own self-responsibility is concerned) is when you give in to the False Evidence Appearing as Real (FEAR), and you fear them. This is foolish, because in truth you have nothing to fear. Because as far as you're concerned, your own karma, your own energies, your own soul, your own universe is concerned, you are the No.1 most powerful being in *your* universe, infinitely more powerful than any external extraphysical being, whether they be intrusive or helpful/guiding, the less-helpful "negative entity / dark force entity / demonic" or the more evolved helpful "beings of light / angelic / archangelic / evolutionary orientors / council of elders / ascended masters / Serenissimus", etc.


Kathy wrote :
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Quite right. It is also exactly as Eckhart Tolle said, in Augoeideian's signature,
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These have been labelled "demonic", "dark force entities" or "negs", not only because, and not so much because, of the lack of understanding, clarity and love from people who coin these terms, but more directly, from the lack of understanding, clarity and self-love from these beings *themselves*.

While different authors or people might have been referring to somewhat different classes of beings in their use of such labels (for instance, these usually do not refer to human souls regardless of degree of corruption, but (usually referring to) other non-human beings, energies of consciousnesses who have never been human, of varying 'malevolence', which is really nothing more than a lack of self-love; for instance, the 'dark brothers' or 'fallen angels' who were originally from the angelic group, not the human group; or other similarly extremely (relatively speaking, of course) 'dark' or coarse vibrationed entities from other parts of the galaxy that intrude on, possess or control various 'malevolent' extraterrestrial groups, etc; to the relatively sub-human, low-level, annoying little 'negs' that Robert Bruce speaks of, some of these have been created by negative thoughtforms and negative thosenes (thoughts, sentiments and energies) of humans and other sentient beings; or the neutral 'psycho-viruses' or 'karmic homunculi' that have been created to serve the execution of negative karma, etc; a wide range of beings exist, that have been accurately or inaccurately labelled "negative entity", "dark force entity" or "demonic"); but...

... But herein when we get to the fundamental and essential bottomline of things, it is as we have said it before (by many people here, including Dave and Gordon Phinn), when you get right down to the crux of it,

There are *no* such thing as a real "demon" or "dark entity", only a being which due to lack of clarity and self-love, falsely and in confusion imagines itself or its nature to be "demonic" or "dark".

As Dave, William Baldwin, Edith Fiore, Louise Ireland Frey and all other practicing clinical psychologists who assist via various spirit releasement methods, have invariably found without exception in the course of their work, all entities, human or non-human, no matter how confused or fearful, no matter how deep the intrusion or complex the nesting (ie. intrusion within intrusion within intrusion, etc); will have within its core, within its seed, within its most fundamental essence of being, of soul, of its existence, the spark of Light. The spark of God. The spark of Oneness with All-That-Is, with the entire Cosmos.

The 'Turning' of any (entity who in confusion imagined itself to be a) 'dark one', is always a deeply moving, powerful moment, in which the cloak of shadows is cast off and a whole new life, existence and journey of light begins. (See "Healing Lost Souls" pages 90 - 91).

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So ideally, you would, in that situation, realize that you have absolutely nothing to fear from such an energy of hatred (regardless of whether it was merely the patient's own hatred or an intrusive one), because you are far far more powerful than any extraphysical being; and you would instead of 'fighting it' (a polemic approach which would be akin to 'fighting for peace' or 'f**king for virginity'; it simply doesn't work), you would invoke the assistance of the guides, helpers, technicians, angels and other beings of light that specialize in the deintrusion and releasement process, and working collaboratively with them, invite both the intraphysical patient/subject as well as, if appropriate and if the guides/helpers communicate such, the intrusive, confused, 'dark' entity of 'hatred' or 'anger', which is really nothing more than 'pain' and 'suffering' and lack of self-love, to practice clarification (see the Work of Byron Katie; an essential read for all beings intraphysical and extraphysical alike!), to release the fear (false evidence appearing as real) and the confusion, and to clarify it with, and into, Love.

Once the releasement process is complete, the healing of the physical/medical aliment can proceed more efficiently and effectively without psychic/energetic disturbance. In some cases the releasement by itself is sufficient to heal the medical difficulty.

But it is always strongly recommended, that the diet be changed to a healthy one. The environment in today's 'modernized', industralized world, is highly toxic, biochemically speaking. This is why viruses and bacteria, whom are evolutionary speaking our helpers, are forced to 'cause disease', where in reality there are only assisting in the detoxification process.

Cooked foods, particularly fats/oils and proteins, present in milk, vegetables and meat, cause health difficulties when ingested. This is because

1) cooked fats store toxins, instead of cleansing the body tissues (as raw fats do).
2) carcinogenic compounds (eg. nitrosamines) are created in the denaturation of proteins and the heating of fats/oils past body temperature.
3) the human body, like all animals, are unable (naturally) to work effectively with the altered biochemistry of cooked foods.

The paragpraphs above may seem as if a digression in this thread, but where physical aliments or medical conditions are concerned, regardless of the karmic nature or intrusive associations if any, the physical/biochemical basis must simultaneously be looked at, for a wholistic and effective healing.

Those interested in healthy foods, see the work of "Aajonus Vonderplanitz", and Hilarion's comments on this.


Those further interested in my views and further materials on these and many other subjects, please be welcomed to visit my website :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm


Live, Love and Prosper!  
Kyo