While on the way to go home to my baked tofu and (not limburger, I prefer sharp cheddar) and rice, I stopped to read the tail end of the tale of lower plain spirits. Docs remarks about use of delta tones and dark energies stood out to me.

I used to be a hippie , until a kind and understanding judge gave me the choice between a long vacation at State expense and getting a paying job, as a result of which  I eventually returned to the real world, more or less. However, in the interval between there were years of dark entities.

I class them into four genera, following others in the field: (1) quasi-stable vortices of mindless energy, supported by feedback provided by the host. These often feel like urges, aches and pains, habits, stray thoughts and so on. (2) Self directed energies, like the previous, except that the feedback mechanisms are internalized so that some degree of choice is possible. These usually come across as urges to do dumb things, like getting drunk and smoking pot in public (a fairly sure way of getting a weekend in the slammer). Many young people who have not as yet acquired discrimination and reflective judgement, as well as sociopaths and others with defective logical apparatus are prone to these. (3) Spiritual beings with normal capacities, but whose bodies have fallen off. These become the entities that attach themselves to us and others. Mostly they are driven by an intense existential dread of being annihilated by a brutal and vengeful God. They sek experiences that prove that they have life and existence. (4) Embodied spirits who have problems with mental health in general, often found in my waiting room, and in the recliners of other therapists.

The surest way to acquire a dark entity is to go into an unfamiliar state without adequate preparation, so that there are tag ends of guilt, blame, anger, hatred, fear, or other self-defeating dark emotions. This happens in two ways. The usual way is Doc's example, trying a new technique, and discovering that it reached farther than expected, so that new psychic territory had opened up. This is always a problem with young yogis who develop meditative skills that raise kundalini long before they are ready to control it, and is why gurus caution us that meditation and yoga are serious business. Generally, these entities are rather like the worms and bugs that are briefly exposed when a field is plowed, and they quickly retreat, or get sent away by sheer lack of acceptance.

A second way to open new territory is to go to a place in which there is intense psychic activity, a graveyard is a typical example, and go to sleep, take drugs (often a bad scene), get drunk (really a bad scene!), or practice Chod (a ritual of self sacrifice in which the soul and body are dedicated to the demons as food). I attended a conference on the Queen Mary a couple years ago and was haunted by a group of hildren and teens who insisted that I stay there to play with them. They were there for three nights, and they bugged my wife as well, after which we moved to a nice hotel that had no such problems. Outside the cabin door we had a small spot in which there was an intense smell, as if someone had burned the rug, but half a foot to any side, it vanished.

While doing hippie things I took LSD and discovered that the primary action of the drug was to speed up everything, but to remove controls over the stuff circulating through my head, so that it opened new windows into the unknown. New ideas flowed in, but so did a lot of flies and assorted demonic energies. I eventually got used to denying them the ability to cause me harm, despite the fact that they might be eating me, or that I had somehow taken a wriong turn and wound up in the third circle of hell.

The bottom line is that these are forces that have life, but they are not true parasites, not even at their worst. When they actually attain the ability to cause physical harm, they also take on some kind of embodiment that limits them. Otherwise, they remain spiritual, and as such, they can live only in the places within the mind where personal ideas and their sense of identity overlap. As a result, they are always t our mercy to drive them away. Even the fringe dwellers who attempt to embody themselves in cold spots (regions in which the Brownian motion of air is reduced in order to allow them to find alignment that can support their energies) are liable to getting trapped by magnetic fields, or dissipated by introduction of ions into the air, as by burning something like sage, or alcohol poured over a basin of salt etc.

While on the topic, I caution everyone to be wary of drugs. I speak from experience. Even though I have a medically approved California "Cannabis Card" that allows me to puff a bit at night for sleep and a few other issues, and despite decades of exposure, I still churn up a few spooks every so often. The very simple meditative methods that Bruce uses are fully as effective as LSD, providing that ne learns and applies them. The difference is that with LSD you can't turn it off, and you are always slightly "altered" by the drug, usually more emotionally sensitive, making it vastly more difficult to turn away dark energies that use fear o survive. If you want more bang for the buck", the various audio tone systems, hemi-sync,  and similar methods are excellent (try Bruce's tapes!) and for the really adventurous, meditative hypnosis with a trusted guide will take you farther than any drug.

As for the unwanted spooks - the simplest approach is to deny them space in your world. This is not a case of handling them directly, but of "willing them not to have existence there", more or less as Bruce would put it. My world contains no maleavolent entities, and if any should attempt to enter, they will notice that there is no space for them They do not occur here. Often I watch them bounce off around the fringes of my space, but I have to intentionally seek after them if I want to see spooks.

I also use a meditation in which I return to the Source, and identify with the voidness in which there is only the potential God-force, which means that everything collapses into oneness, and the oneness is God-ness. This is a normal meditation for yogis (nirvastarka samadhi) that operates very well, since it either excludes other beings, or it consolidates them back into their Creator. Given that, it is safe to offer entities a chance to "ride along with me, if you don't like going into the Light", which has solved a few of my more difficult entity evictions.  However, at the same time, it seems to have put me in touch with a lot of physicists whose energies occasionally seem to channel themselves through me in the form of new ideas, solutions to difficult math and so on.

Forive me for running on and on - time for lunch. I actually LIKE baked tofu!

PUL to all-
dave

Hi Dave I like tofu and cheddar. Tai food, yaaay.
thanks for all that stuff, I'm on overload from your words and I think my kundalini is right where its supposed to be, although my goodness one night I was awakened by rushes of energy crecending all over my physical like waves very intense, I thought I was being chased by a group I hang with in the astral and they touched me, so "tag" I was it now. was really fun for those of us who can understand and have not forgotten we are just older kids. ah yes life is interesting now but no two experiences are quite the same when talking about these things.
visuals....better than drugs..definetely. I experimented some as a hippie but always felt like it would be a dead end and so it was, I think not being able to turn it off was very scarey for me. a group of us used to sit against the wall, not talking, just waiting for it to be over it seemed like. I'm sure that was just my perceptions as I wanted to flap my lips being sociable deep down, but just didn't want to be the initiator of that. so young, my youth was wasted on my youth if that makes sense. visuals: thought I'd try it one time: lay down feeling like worlds biggest idiot who likes to experiment with the mind. started circulating energy up thru the feet..dang if I didn't actually feel energy moving and was that me? made it grow, imagining, visualing, decided to expand it, went to the top of the world..laffing at myself, as what are you going to do up there? looked around some, made my arms big and gave the world a little smooch. that night I had a profound out of body experience I've never been able to repeat. a guide actually came and escorted me to a retrieval after asking me where I'd like to go, and do what. she was so familiar, like very close to me, could even have been another me. so I think what images we hold as visuals, they can work very good to gain experience in these areas, much better than experimenting with drugs, as thats what we are doing with drugs, or I was, experimenting.

now, in my other life if a spirit was bugging me, I'd just say "git thee from me satan" however, things have changed in this century; now its "welcome to my enlightened living room, may I escort you to focus 23 or 27?

we're going out for thai food tonite...I wonder if my daughter will pick up the check?

hugs, say, I could use a few physicists in my living room now and then. alysia

Matthew said, "hey, how did you like me weaving Kathy, Dave and Mairlyn into the same sentence?"

Hey, Matt,

You got it going on!

That is all great advice, and if that dark cloud pulls a fast one on you again, well, you know what to do, even after a 360 degree turnaround....you already proved that to yourself, right?



love, blink

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Dear Kyo,

It is very good to hear your words of wisdom.  I'm glad you popped in to say hi!

It never ceases to both amaze and please me to see how so much of who we are or what we believe we are, revolves around our relationships and how these relationships are a mirror reflecting back to us so that we may further evolve and individualize our divinity.

For the most part I understand the energetic distortions we create because of fearful beliefs we hold and how we can heal these, but I'm curious about the extraphysical intruders and how they may be healed once they are free from the relationship?  Certainly retrievals may play a role with some, but what about others?  In what ways can they be exposed to and learn from the "light" so to speak?

Say for example, if we were to begin to feel a fondness or unconditional love for these beings, would that help them to evolve from their darkness?  Would they have any understanding of this?  Or desire for this?  Is the way they are a result of fear?  If so how did they learn to fear?  LOL so many questions I have here...

The reason I'm asking these questions is because as I read your post I suddenly felt a deep compassion and tenderness for these beings almost as though they were calling out for help or something like that and I'm curious to know what ways they may be helped aside from the intraphysical letting go of the relationship.

Again, thank you for your very informative post.

Love, Kathy

Kathy,

I also am glad Kyo came in.  I always hope that when matters of comsoethos are brought up, he'll be in the conversation. Kyo your post was quite enlightening.

M

I'm glad also Kyo joined us as he is far more knowledgable in these areas of attachment of spirits than I. I think I was nonchalant too much in my comments, but Dave makes me feel that way   just kidding.  I am still figuring out the astral realms versus the higher realms sensing the dividing line is not that great to consider the PUL energy those into retrieving are aware it does work to clear up situations like attachment.
I had something similar happen many years ago such as Doc mentions, the body manipulation but since the experience turned itself into a positive learning situation for me both spiritually and C1 decision capability, I did rather celebrate rather than grow into more fearfulness.  and to say Kyo does arouse in me the desire to remain compassionate and helpful towards those negs that are really asking for my help despite they go about it in strange ways perhaps...resist not evil, just look beyond it, you can see the urge to survive is built into even a neg seeking its rightful place "to be."  perhaps in the times ahead we can all make a giant step forward into understanding spiritual areas and the focus levels. I am hopeful as I continue to see signs of a shift in consciousness, or minds that are opening to greater awareness of these areas. at least, I hope and suspect it is not just me noticing this.

not that I am so lovey dovey naive as I might once have been to not see what wishes to be harmful and intrusive in its penchant for misleading itself. yet I am a course in miracles student/teacher and I have come to value that there are only two emotions; love or fear, you can't express easily both at the same time, so we can study what the energy is really saying to us if we find it in our house asking for attention. and Kyo is right again, that if there be a spirit around you, you have unwittingly or consciously called it to you for your understanding. fear not, as your higher self is well versed in the lesson plan.

Doc, we all were given free will and a decision making capability. but yet many will continue to believe (whether physical beings or nonphysical) that there is not free will, and so they are stuck in that limiting belief. I like your train of thought about making decisions as it is very important to me to recognize I have a choice. it may then be a question of each person within these situations of attachments to examine their personal power issues and whether they are giving in to subtle voices to be led and not realize these are not their true thoughts. in some cases you will find extreme cases in the court system who will say this is what happened, they did hear a voice and so they try to pass the buck or project the guilt unto the voice as they believe they could not resist the voice. is this part of us that we cannot own ourselves and so another owns us?  instruction is necessary to build discernment of spirits and assist them.

don't worry, we'll get the job done! theres always been retrievals down thru the centuries and angel visitations and such, I believe the old fashioned way, that everyone has an angel on their shoulder, as well a little guy with a pitchfork on the other. and we are not to fret and worry as it only takes one person to change the entire world. my opinion, to state every little drop of love is important to change things and effect one another. love to all, its a great thread, alysia

The interesting thing is Francis Crick discovered the double-helix structure of DNA while he was on LSD;

http://www.hallucinogens.com/lsd/francis-crick.html

In Graham Hancock's book Supernatural he researches the phenomena - people that trip on drugs (lots of clinic drug trail tests covered in the book) or go into trance state through dance eg. the San and the Bushmen ... all experience the same visual place.  That is; they all record the same state of awareness .. namely snakes, reptiles, strange diagrams, computer number print outs, strange alien looking creatures; the ancient San and Bushmen slightly different but Hancock draws a parallel between the two from the Rock Art the San and Bushmen left behind.

The question is ... Is this (altered state) common experience a place outside the mind or is it a place inside the mind?

Review of the book;
http://dailygrail.com/node/2113

Good question Caryn and one that skeptics like to say "is reality out there or inside?"
isn't this question like which came first the chicken or the egg?
and Lucy you always inspire me. I do believe its all a projection on the mind screen, then if reality is not out there to find awareness is everything and the observer is watching a movie in the theater of life. one day after we eat the popcorn, pee our pants from watching the horror movies, fall in love while watching the romance movies, get our heads kinked up from watching "what the Bleep"  we all go home hopefully thinking wow, thats entertainment.