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Reply #15 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 1:46pm
 
Thank you guys! Spooky, Alysia, Vicky, Cathy for your advises and support. I think I am going to start with the first book; although I would love to get the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook and most of all the cd's. I need them so badly. According to what I read on Bruce's experiences, special sounds play an important role in the relaxation and the stages of consciousness. It seems like I can not relax completetly before I go to bed, for that reason the cd's would be wonderful. Last night I read some Bruce material which I had printed earlier and I pray to God that I would like to have a confirmation of the afterlife. When finally I went to sleep I woke up at 3:00 am because of nightmares( I guess..., I don't remeber) I think I saw something next to me looking at me, I don't know... but I panicked. This is not the first time that it had happened. Why am I so afraid? I know that a ghost can not hurt me according to what I read. Also, I know that all the horror movies that I saw in the past are affecting me right now, but I know there are just movies...
Ah! guys, I am 38 years old and still afraid of the dark and what I think it is in the dark. But I'm not hopeless, because for some reason I am here in this site with you guys, I have the chance to share my concerns and soon with God's help and with your help I will be sharing my experiences of the atferlife journeys with you. Thanks and God bless you all, love and gratitude!
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Reply #16 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 3:37pm
 
Hi Marcela,

You are exactly right, you are not hopeless!  That's why you are here, to find out what else is out there.  Remember Bruce's quote that love and fear cannot exist together.  From Voyage Beyond Doubt on page 83, "When love is brought into any situation arising from fear, whatever is a product of that fear will disappear".  I'm sure there are lots of other quotes from his books saying the same thing, maybe other folks can dig some up to share.  I love this concept.  As you start reading his books, please share some of your thoughts or questions on the book forums.  I too want to re-read his books so I can think of stuff to add there, just been busy lately--sorry if I sound pushy trying to get others to do that.  I just like getting people motivated and excited!

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Reply #17 - Aug 31st, 2006 at 4:20pm
 
Hi Marcela, I'm more or less echoing Vicki but I know you are supposed to be here too, and that makes me feel like things happen for a reason instead of just chaos...so welcome again and I'm a little pushy too..hee hee..just because I think you'll gain a lot from your studies like I did and one more thing, theres a lot of people reading on forums like these and each time someone reads you, a lot of those people are sending you encouragment also like us...it counts for something that u express yourself here, so we do want to hear what is happening..maybe the ghost is really your guide, or someone you knew long ago. perhaps that will be confirmation for you in the days ahead. let us know if you get any messages. love, alysia
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Reply #18 - Sep 1st, 2006 at 12:19pm
 
"When love is brought into any situation arising from fear, whatever is a product of that fear will disappear"
Vicky, I need you to help me to understand something. Ok, I am trying to relax, I feel confident, I make sure I do not get disturb by nobody, sometimes soft music to help in the search of relaxation, I concentrate in my breathing, etc.; in fact, everything that helps with the issue. But in that precise moment when I get to relax, fear comes due to distracting thoughts about everything but relaxation and peace. You stated that I need to replace those feelings of fear with love. I love God, I love my family, I love nature and respect it, but even though when I try to replace the bad feelings with the one of love for all those things I have listed, it is not enough. Consequently, I give up relaxing and I concentrate on other stuff (house holds, TV, pop music) just to get a little bit annoyed by all that and replace the fear with things that I can see, touch, listen with my earthly senses. Love is a simple word that has a complicating definition. As I said before, I need to practice, and no once and a while but everyday. Thank you Vicky!
Alysia, maybe you are right about a guide trying to make contact with me. Several things in my past have been happening since I was a little girl. My mother always told me that I was a special person; but I guess all the mothers say the same about their children. Anyways, my mom told me this story. One day( I was a baby when this happened) while she was washing the dishes at the kitchen she turn around and I was standing looking at her and smiling. She smiled at me and she went back to her chores but just took her seconds to realize something, my appearance was different; she turns to me again and I was not there. The kitchen door was open so she went outside desperate looking for me. Astonished, my mom could not believe what she saw. I was in my grandmother's arms but across the street from where we used to live, about 50 feet of distance from one house to the other. I couldn't crawl across the street in just a few seconds from where my mom was. Undecided Another situation, when I was eight years old, my cousin and sister were talking about how wonderful weekend we had the week before at the camping. I said to them "what camping..." They looked at me like I was joking or something. They continued talking about details that I did not recall, about the pool, the games, the food, the other kids,etc. but with all that information I could not remember that day. Even, when my cousin and sister said I was there with them. They got upset with me because they thought I was kidding. In fact I remember getting angry because they didn't believed me, "If I was there I should be able to remember that day!!" What happened? Why that day is completely erased from my mind? Who was in my place if I wasn't at the camping?
The last thing( but I have more stories for later) when I was around 24 years old I went to visit my mom over the weekend at her house and in the middle of the night while I was sleeping,suddenly, I open my eyes because I felt a presence. What I saw was two figures similar to the shapes of humans and they were looking at me, like observing me. One was shorter than the other. I could not distinguish their faces or features, only the shapes, head and body. They were in the position like bending with their heads turn to their left and watching me sleep. Of course I screamed so loud I woke up everyone in the house. My mom came to my room and I explained what happened;" maybe it was a dream I said," but she told me maybe they are my guides or angels (I fricked out, but I let nobody see that)
Well, yes maybe is my guide or helper trying to connect or reconnect with me, and just the taught to see something that is not of earthly substance scares me. I appreciate you all reading my stories; you don’t know how much it means to me. God Bless you all, love and gratitude.
Marcela
P/S: I’m still learning English, so forgive me for my mistakes!

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Reply #19 - Sep 1st, 2006 at 1:30pm
 
hi Marcela, your english is great, are u Italian? I am partial to Italians..must be another life. loved reading your story. each of us has a different story and we represent the entire world with all its countries. I can relate to non remembrance of different parts of my life, as if my soul was on vacation and just letting the body go thru time and motion of the movie here. I am of the  opinion we work with aliens and that some are short, some tall. the aliens are us, just another time frame of the future they slip into, so they want to make sure you are waking up to them, nothing can harm you, the body can take injuries, the soul cannot be injured where it exists in perfection and surrounded by PUL.
(love, undistorted) this is my belief and not the beliefs of the management! lol. just a little disclaimer so we can have a peaceful board where anyone can talk and share what they bellieve. and I'm glad u trusted this forum to share! please come anytime!

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Reply #20 - Sep 1st, 2006 at 1:44pm
 
Hello Marcela:

You are right about the horror movie thing. A part of our mind sees them, comes to unconscious, irrational , unexamined conclusions, and before you know it we have a thought system in place that makes us see monsters under our bed.

Such a thought pattern doesn't actually "make" us see monsters under our bed. All we have to do is see that there aren't any, so we'll no longer feel the need to give such a thought pattern the power to deceive us. Such a thought pattern depends upon the power we give it.

mzb10zar wrote on Aug 29th, 2006 at 2:22pm:
Hi everybody! My name is Marcela and I found this web site because I was looking information about life after death. Sometimes(most of the times) it is hard for me to find people that want to discuss issues like this, they think you are maybe weird or something like that. The fact is, I found myself again wondering about what is the meaning of my existence, why are we here and other questions about after life. I have read some of the explanations given by Bruce Moen and I think it is the best explanation so far someone was able to come out with. It gives me hope  and I feel a little bit les afraid of death. I have to work on this feeling of fear because I know it is not healthy for the soul. I will love to get an out of body experience;I have tried before but with not luck. Maybe because it is hard for me to concentrate, as soon as I get relaxed the feeling of fear makes its apperance and I can not relax anymore. What is my fear when I am relaxing? An entity, ghost, spirit or something like that is going to appear and I will panic in horror ( I used to watch horror movies sometimes, maybe that affected me) Anyways, I am so happy to have found this website and if someone have a tip for relaxation different of the ones always posted in other websites, please tell me and I will practice. I need that kind of peace in my life to be able to help others too in  the way you are doing it. Thank you, and God bless you! Wink

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Reply #21 - Sep 1st, 2006 at 2:19pm
 
Hi Marcela,

It sounds like getting over your fear is your biggest obsticle right now.  We all have obsticles...mine was finding peace and quiet from my family and home life.  I once thought that the only way I could relax would be to drive up to the mountains and stay in a cabin in the middle of the woods by myself for a couple weeks.  I never got the chance to do that so I had to settle for learning to not let everyday life get in my way.   Smiley

Can I give you one of my suggestions?  It might not work for everyone, but this is something I use--this technique anyway.  I use visualization for many things.  I'll apply it to your situation.  Try to get physically comfortable in your quite relaxing place, like a comfortable chair or your bed.  This should be a nice place that makes you feel happy, in other words it is a place that is surrounded by the things you love and the things that represent you.  (For instance, pictures, candles, collectables, whatever).  Ok, look around your room and remember what it feels like to be content and comfortable there, and see that you are alone there in this nice place.  Empower your feelings with the knowledge that this space is yours and this time you give yourself to meditate and relax is for you and you alone.  You deserve this.  Now, close your eyes and envision or simply remember the room you are in and remember your feelings associated with it.  Remember the feeling of empowering these thoughts with the knowledge that you deserve this nice place, you deserve to relax and be comfortable.  Then imagine giving yourself love, loving yourself enough that you want youself to know that you deserve peace, relaxation, and love.  You can even imagine your heart swelling with all the love you are allowing yourself to have.

Ok...so what do you think about that?  Would that be something that could relax you?  As you can see, I took the focus away from your fear and replaced it with the focus of being kind and loving to yourself.  Feeling love for your family and friends is not the only kind of love that is important.  You need to remember to love yourself.  By not focusing on what scares you, you can focus on loving yourself.  That is one way in which you will be making your fears disappear.  Once you practice this technique and get very familiar with it, it will be easy to use the next time you want to meditate for various uses.  The entire process I described above won't be necessary, just remembering the feelings of it will be enough to relax you. 

I hope this helps.

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Reply #22 - Sep 1st, 2006 at 3:00pm
 
     Vicky, I will try for sure to do that exercise you just gave me I promise; just to read your words made me relax and I felt happy at the same time. You are completely right. I said that I love God, my family and nature but I didn’t say that I love myself. One of the roots for the issue of my fears I think is that. Sometimes I am so hard on myself, I criticize myself continuously. Thank you Vicky for your support, I will print your words to read them in this long weekend and practice with them.
     Alysia, I am from Argentina, my grandfather was from Italy. So, in my blood run Italian (mom side) and Spanish (dad side) cultures.
I believe also that there are other types of intelligences in this universe. We would be really selfish to believe that we are completely alone in this cosmos. Thank you Alysia!
And thank you Recoverer for your opinion. Television can over suggest human minds and some times alter them as well as some music with negative messages, according to what I read.
Guys, I appreciate all your support and I thanks Bruce Moen for creating this site where I found people with similar concerns and curiosity to explore the other side, the real side.
Tomorrow I will buy “Voyages into the unknown.” Beautiful! A long weekend head to practice relaxation read and enjoy life with the ones I love. Happy Labor Day to everyone, and with God’s will I’ll be back on Monday to the site. Love and gratitude!
Marcela
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Reply #23 - Sep 1st, 2006 at 9:27pm
 
Hi again Marcela,
maybe you also try to imagine while relaxing on your bed to take a walk around your appartment, or the near surrounding. It works for me when I have much thoughts on my mind, and these imagination exercises are really an entrance to deeper meditation.

Also, I have the feeling a guided meditation tape could be helpful for you. I only know the The Monroe Institute tapes, "Gateway Experience", very good (for me) but I've heard also Bruce's tapes that come along optional with his guidebook to be good.

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Reply #24 - Sep 5th, 2006 at 7:32am
 
Spooky, thank you for the tip!
This weekend I had the plan to buy the first book of Bruce and I couln't;I needed to order it first. The bookstore near my home did not have it. They told me is going to take a week to get it. I'll wait then. As soon I start to read the first, I am going to order the second and so on. While I 'm still reading from this this website.
Did you guys heard about Steve Irwin? Someone on the forum posted about him asking in what realm is he right now. I do not know about that; the thing is that last night when I knew about his pass over I was shocked, I could not sleep very well thinking about it and most of all of his wife and two children. Thank you.
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Reply #25 - Sep 5th, 2006 at 7:01pm
 


Hello folks

I too came across this site 'by accident'.   Smiley I was raised in the Christian tradition, Catholic spefically which I left for some years. I am kinda exploring it all again. John says, "God is LOVE." Yet you often find many who profess to be Christian seeking to place conditions on that love - making God in man's image, rather that us being made in the Image of God, Who is LOVE. By their fruits you shall know them, apparently. And you know truly spiritual people when you meet them, whatever 'label' they wear.   Smiley

I have something happening in life at present - or about to - that has me 'wondering' about a lot of things.

Does anyone here have anything they feel they could or would like to say ? Those of you experienced in the spiritual - communications etc. I have never been involved in anything like this before. I am open minded and hearted here. So if anyone has anything from anyone, spirit, angel - some Godly being - I'd like to hear.   Smiley

God Bless you all !!

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