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juditha

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The Miracles of Jesus,Moses and Joshua
Aug 18^th, 2006 at 1:00pm

HI I watched The miracles of Jesus on television,and it was really good.
They were trying to find the same miracles before Jesus was on the earth.

They said Joshua brought someone ,back from the dead in the same way as Jesus did 400yrs later

They were saying on this programme,was it coincidence,that Joshua performed the same miracle,or was it really a miracle that Jesus performed at all.

They said that Jesus ,was the name that means Joshua in hebrew,thats why the people were first interested in Jesus all those yrs ago,as they truly thought at first that Jesus was Joshua reborn.
But Jesus performed even more miracles and thats when they truly ,started to beleive he was the messiah.

There were many coincidences with the miracles,as Jesus fed the five thousand,with 5 loaves and 2 fishes and turned them into plenty for all.

Then there was Moses,when he was in the desert, with the Israelites he had taken out of eygpt,and his miracle was his prayer to God for food to feed all the people,God sent manna and quails plentiful for the five thousand Israelites.

Moses died before he reached the land of Caneen,the promised land,Jacob took the Israelites into the promised land,and the 10 commandments,written on tablets of stone,were carried in a gold casket by 12 preists.

Jesus also had 12 disciples,and they were saying on this programme of many similaritys,between Joshua,Moses and Jesus.

This Phoenician woman,went up to Jesus and said to him "Oh lord though son of david,my daughter is grieviously vexed by a devil".
"Lord help me"she cried.
The disciples did not want Jesus to help her because she was phoenician and not jewish.
Jesus said to her "I was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel,it is not right to take the childrens bread and throw it to the dogs".
She looked into his eyes and could see behind his words,the tenderness in his heart.
So she pointed to the dogs and said "but even the dogs eat of the crumbs that fall from their masters table.
Her belief in his will and his power to help,pleased Jesus.
"Oh woman" he cried, "Great is your faith,be it done unto thee,even as thou wilt.

Jesus said whosoever beleiveth in me shall never die ,but have eternal life
Love and God bless juditha

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juditha

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Reply #2 - Aug 18^th, 2006 at 6:40pm

God forgives Indiglo,he loves you and all of us,he knows you are not perfect,as none of us are.You will go to The spirit world,when you pass over one day,the same as the rest of us,for God is the divine spirit,and all loving.

The spirit world is full of unconditional love,for you and all of us,and we all go there when its our time.

LOVE AND GOD BLESS Juditha

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Reply #3 - Aug 19^th, 2006 at 3:29am

Jesus, so gentle yet so strong you speak your words unto me.
My heart is silenced. For my boat hath been drifting upon the sea,
Rejoice is has been docked and Atonement is the law.
Here is my rest upon my vow.
So bright shineth your light Christ it shineth so strong.
Be it known thou ismy only love.
Praise to God in the Highest,
Be I strong for you.
Humble be thou servant who covers mine head in cloth this day on.

Caryn

Romans 3v19

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Reply #4 - Aug 19^th, 2006 at 12:47pm

I'm sorry, Juditha..I cannot believe in the Jesus of the bible..or any of that book for that matter.

There is no evidence that Moses took anyone out of Egypt..least of all millions of Hebrews that wandered for 40 years in the desert. To me, its just another myth/legend made larger through time.

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Jesus said whosoever beleiveth in me shall never die ,but have eternal life

This statement attributed to Jesus implies that those who don't believe in him WILL die and WILL NOT have eternal life. In the bible, there is NO forgiveness for perceived "sin" outside of Jesus, and those who choose not to believe will be tormented for eternity in a fiery hell.

I came out of this cultlike belief three years...and will never return to believe in the God of the bible..

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Reply #5 - Aug 19^th, 2006 at 3:38pm

HI Juditha:

I think you're confusing two people here from the Tanakh (old testament):

l. Yeshoshua ben Nun (Joshua son of Nun, who allegedly lived around 1400 BC, but whose life is interwoven with mythological poetry e.g. Joshua chapter 10 when we read the mythical story of Joshua causing the sun and the moon to stand still so he could finish a battle, etc. ) with another figure from the Israelite-Canaanite clan-histories---viz.

2. Elisha', a northern Galilean prophet (allegedly from around the time of the Judaean king Ahaz around BC 730), who allegedly raised "from death" a Shunamite widow's 'only son' as outlined in II Kings chapter 4:1-38 by artificial resuscitation ('he laid his hands on the boy's hands, and his lips on the boy's lips' etc')

At any rate, R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean (c. BC 12 to AD 36) aka "Jesus" (Greek: Iesous for Joshua) was some 1400 years after the alleged time of Joshua son of Nun, not 400 years.

Most of the miracle stories in the 'canonically approved' gospels that were attributed to 'Jesus' are midrashic expansions of Elisha's miracles, especially in the 4th gospel: Elisha raises an axe head and causes it to 'float' and R. Yehoshua ("Jesus") walks on the sea (levitation miracle): Elisha' feeds 100 'sons of the prophets' with a pot of stew, and R. Yehoshua ("Jesus") feeds 5,000 men (plus women/children) with a couple of fish and some loaves: Elisha' "raises" the Shunamite woman's son from the dead in II Kings chapter 4, and in the 4th gospel, R. Yehoshua ("Jesus") 'raises' Eleazar (or "Lazarus") from "the dead" after being 3 days in a tomb (John chapter 11) etc.

In every one of the 7 miracles attributed to "Jesus" in the 4th gospel, there is a parallel with the Elisha miracle stories (II Kings chapter 1 through 6 read like a proto gospel of sayings and miracles), only R. Yehoshua ("Jesus") out-does Elisha' every time with an even better one ( the "floating axe head" becomes "Jesus walking on water" etc.)

Both men were thought to have been "galilean prophets" (like Honi the Circle Drawer who was supposed to cause rain to fall), from "northern Israel". It was as if the writer of especially the 4th gospel were trying to midrashically illustrate the point: 'something greater than Elisha is here', i.e. the Messiah's arrival at 'the end of days' .

At any rate, the 'gospel material' was clearly "consciously shaped" by clear typological references to the old testament Hebrew prophets/figures as outlined in the OT texts (and Aramaic scriptures like parts of the book of Daniel) as well as the inter-testamental literature archaeologists re-discovered in the 'time capsule' caves at Qumran in the winter of 1946 (i.e. the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were still being copied out as late as the time when "Jesus" was living: in fact the caves were not sealed up until June of AD 68 long after Jesus' death).

We can easily see how the Dead Sea Scroll Community (c. BC 162 to AD 68) also interpreted 'old testament prophecies' in terms of being fulfilled by their own Teacher of Righteousness who strove to fulful Isaiah chapter 40:1-4 by breaking away from the Jerusalem Priesthood and forming his own Community which he called THE FOLLOWERS OF THE WAY, some time after the Macabbean revolt of BC 163 viz. 'Prepare a Way in the Desert for YHWH (who lived long before "Jesus" c. BC 190 to c. BC 104), so the Christian handling of Old Testament Texts was certainly nothing new by the time they sat down to write their Greek Gospels in the AD 80s and 90s.

Just a little background is all...

I sometimes think that shows like the one you saw about "Jesus" are deliberately dumbed down for the mass-audiences they are trying to reach, and often do not cover enough salient historical facts---which more often than not, leave their viewers, well...quite in the dark about the true state of affairs...

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juditha

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Reply #6 - Aug 19^th, 2006 at 4:08pm

Hi AMADEUS Thankyou for writing this information for me,i really appreiciated it, i have learned a lot from reading this,i have read very little of the bible,just bits of it here and there,so im not that knowlegeable of most things about Jesus.

On that programme,they were trying to put across about whether Jesus did perform miracles,or was it all a myth.I agree with you AMADEUS,about some of these programmes,they dont always give all the historical facts.

Love and god bless Juditha

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Reply #7 - Aug 22^nd, 2006 at 8:45am

"Jesus said whosoever believeth in me shall never die, but have eternal life."

Jesus was/is an Ascended Master with a mission to teach, spread and demonstrate PUL to its fullest. With that in mind here's another interpretation of the verse:

"Jesus said whosoever believeth in me..."

...whoever learns and pratices the spirituality I teach (PUL)...

"...shall never die, but have eternal life."

...will understand that there really is no death, that we are all eternal beings and that our existence never ends. We don't actually gain eternal life because we already have it. What we gain is the full realization of who and what we really are.

We give up our fear of death when we gain realization of our eternal nature (life).

Love,
Rob

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augoeideian Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 958 South Africa Gender:	Re: The Miracles of Jesus,Moses and Joshua Reply #8 - Aug 23^rd, 2006 at 6:42am ... When two or three come together in His name, He is there with them.
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blink Ex Member	Re: The Miracles of Jesus,Moses and Joshua Reply #9 - Aug 23^rd, 2006 at 10:01am Rob, I enjoyed your interpretation very much. It makes perfect sense to me, and you stated it so well. love, blink
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Rob_Roy Super Member Offline Posts: 539 New Hampshire, USA Gender:	Re: The Miracles of Jesus,Moses and Joshua Reply #10 - Aug 23^rd, 2006 at 9:49pm Blink, Thanks. Love, Rob
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Ricardo Junior Member Offline Spiritualist, Astral Traveler Posts: 52 Chattanooga, Tn Gender:	Re: The Miracles of Jesus,Moses and Joshua Reply #11 - Aug 25^th, 2006 at 12:54pm Thanks to all , I agree too...Jesus said "I am the way, the Truth, and the Light". I accept this as True. Thanks AMADEUS, Rob. Love, Ricardo
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newwayknight Junior Member Offline Posts: 71	Re: The Miracles of Jesus,Moses and Joshua Reply #12 - Aug 31^st, 2006 at 2:32am Ricardo...Ditto!
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augoeideian Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 958 South Africa Gender:	Re: The Miracles of Jesus,Moses and Joshua Reply #13 - Aug 31^st, 2006 at 4:16am newwayknight ... Ditto!
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