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Aug 18th, 2006 at 12:24am
 
I was wondering if anyone here has had a NDE, OBE, premonition/vision, etc. that has revealed to them information/data "undiscovered discoveries" of our planet, be they scientific (e.g. quantum mechanics; inventions; earthly happenings, or other) that have yet to be discovered by us in our current physical embodiment/earthly timeline? I know that Bruce has happened upon a few... I was wondering what others have experienced as well.

Any stories/experiences would be much appreciated!

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Reply #1 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 3:52am
 
i cant say i have .. but it sounds like that Eureka moment a scientist would have when waking up.

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Reply #2 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 4:07am
 
Sorry to repeat this, which was posted not long ago under Form and Technology In The Afterlife, but as you have asked:-

"This topic reminds me of a particular vivid dream I had awhile back, where, I am sure, I was taken into the future. The memory is just as clear now as it was at the time of my awakening after the dream.

I was taken to some laboratories where scientists were undertaking various experiments.
Firstly, I was shown this very intricately designed piece of jewellery which was on a bench in some sort of vibrational energy field whereupon it changed into another lovely piece of jewellery of completely different design. A little later it changed back to it`s original design and then changed again.

Secondly, I saw a metal object placed into an energy field, was then picked up by one scientist and passed through a sheet of glass to another one waiting on the other side. Their hands and fingers would not pass through the glass, only the object.
Bearing in mind that glass is a supercooled liquid I believe that is possible.

Thirdly, I was gently pushed into what I can only desribe as a kind of well. I felt no fear whatsoever. About five or six feet from the bottom I stopped and just hung there, and there was no upflow of air to keep me suspended. I was told it was an anti-gravity machine they were developing.

There were other experiments being undertaken but I was not allowed to see them.

I found this all most interesting, especially as I have a scientific background and a very enquiring mind."

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Reply #3 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 8:02am
 
Hi Cosmic,
Funny you should mention that now, as one secret 'undiscovered re-discovery' I was told about 15--20 years ago is right now in the process of being shared with someone who I hope will enjoy and benefit from making the re-discovery.
I do not have the means or credentials to make this re-discovery on my own. I did tell someone else about it to help me clarify in my own mind if it seemed 'plausible'?, but most guidance on it has come from Guidance. But heh-heh, it's a secret, and if it is rediscovered by this appointed person, you'd never believe I had anything to do with it.
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One time my husband and I had the same nightmare, which 10 years later fit a crime committed nearby. But our dream scenes led us to errors; we didn't then understand the Interpretor/Perceiver roles involved, so I doubt we would have been much help if we'd tried to tell anyone.
What about you, Cosmic?  Are you asking in order to do a 'reality check' on your own visions? Smiley
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Reply #4 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 10:37pm
 
Thanks for the great replies.

Hey Roger, I don't think I remember reading that story of yours, but it is very interesting to me. I thank you for sharing it. I love reading about that kind of stuff.

Greetings Betson, I'm quite interested in hearing what this "re-discovery" is. If this person does stumble upon this re-discovery please indulge me at a more appropriate time. It's very amusing to me, and quite magical.

I can't say that I am asking in order to do a "reality check" on my own visions, but I have had numerous dreams that have come true, and they usually involve pretty mundane things. For example, I had a dream one night where everyone that I worked with was sitting around in a cirlce passing money to my supervisor. When I got to work that morning we were all sitting in a circle and my supervisor had notified us of a friend of his whom was in a terrible motorcycle accident from which he lost his leg. He didn't have the means to cover the hospital bill and at that time he was also supporting a wife and children. Consequently, we all pitched in money (passed it to him). Hence my dream and the "reality" confirmation.

I use to have these mundane prophetic dreams quite frequently, however they have subsided recently. I'm not really sure why, but I'm actually kind of glad because I can focus more on the "now" and not be living in a reality where I'm constantly wondering when my dreams are going to come to fruition. It was really hard on my mind for a time there because I wasn't familiar with the overwhelming/reality shifting concepts involved.

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Reply #5 - Aug 19th, 2006 at 8:43am
 
Hi Cosmic,
You said
"It was really hard on my mind for a time there because I wasn't familiar with the overwhelming/reality shifting concepts involved."
----Do you suppose that they eased up due to your feeling that they were getting over-powering?
It sounds like those channels are cleared and ready, just waiting for your take-off!
  You can also put conditions on the revelations, to some extent. "No crime." Of personal or local relevance only." "No information that will cost me my life..wife..relationships..etc."
As McKelvey might say, you are in the pilot's seat.  Enjoy!
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Reply #6 - Aug 19th, 2006 at 5:55pm
 
Hi Cosmic: you said: I use to have these mundane prophetic dreams quite frequently, however they have subsided recently. I'm not really sure why, but I'm actually kind of glad because I can focus more on the "now" and not be living in a reality where I'm constantly wondering when my dreams are going to come to fruition. It was really hard on my mind for a time there because I wasn't familiar with the overwhelming/reality shifting concepts involved. 
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I stand where you stand. the word is namaste. yes, it was a bit nerve wracking. I only have them once or twice a month now and its strickly about me as I don't do world prophesies...told my guides I wouldn't do that. I would just interpret from my perspective. as my belief is nothing is set in stone.
as regarding dreams and such heres something that I got out of the bible, its just before revelations:  "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."
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I figured thats what happened and is happening now. and we are finding each other and comparing notes. this kind of thing, we need each other's support.
I lived in Roswell, NM where the crash occurred and started researching all of that while there. I came across a TV show, which we have more of such type shows there, where it was right after the Roswell thing that we suddenly developed some new technology and I put 2 and 2 together after watching the show/s.
I also met a man who was doing a roof for me, who had been a child in 47, and remembers how his dad, in the military in 47, would come home and say things like, "they told me not to talk to my family about this." I'm under threat. so on etc.
but he couldn't help but talk about it as it consumes you, the mystery. this roofer went onto his own research and wrote a book. lol. he had to keep his day job.

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Reply #7 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 10:08am
 
Cosmic,

In an appendix of Voyage Beyond Doubt  I wrote about Dr. Ed Wilson's Electromagnetic Theory of Gravity and your post reminded me that there is now more to that story.  I think it comes under the heading of discoveries science refuses to make, or perhaps, refuses to acknowledge.  This is a rather ‘techie’ discussion, hopefully some of you will be able to follow and comment on.

One of the outcomes of Dr. Wilson's theory is a prediction that the speed of light in a vacuum will not be an unvarying, universally constant value, as modern science presently believes.  There is experimental evidence supporting cyclic light speed variation from an experiment designed by Albert Michelson (of Michelson and Morley fame) and run at Pasadena California in the early 1930s.  If such cyclic light speed variation were to be confirmed by future experiments a huge mass of scientific theories could crumble and fall, including the Big Bang Theory.  A rather fitting description for the resulting belief system crash.

Here’s what I wrote about Dr. Wilson’s theory back in 1996:

THE THEORY:
The force we call gravity is the result of an imbalance in electromagnetic radiation pressure acting upon a mass.  This imbalance is due to density gradients in an almost incomprehensibly dense field of purely randomly acting electromagnetic energies.  The density gradients are induced by localized compression of that field.

ASSUMPTIONS:
1.  Existence of an extremely dense Field of purely random acting energy which can be conceptualized as electromagnetic in nature.  This Field fills, interpenetrates and travels throughout all of “empty space.”  It can be visualized as almost uncountable numbers of “beams” of electromagnetic energy of all types (visible light, radio, x-ray, infrared, etc.) traveling in purely random fashion from all directions through any point in space.
2.  This Field of extremely dense energy, conceptualized as electromagnetic in nature, has the property of internal cohesion.  

Since that writing in 1996 I’ve revised the analogy of the “Field” to resemble something closer to a conceptualization of the Quantum Field as the origin of the three fields we call: electric; magnetic; and gravitational.  The properties of these three fields are then conceptualized as the result of different forms of density gradients within the quantum field.  Predictions based on Dr. Wilson's theory form a theoretical basis, for example, to understanding the work of T. Townsend Brown in which an electric field exhibits a force that appears to be gravitational in nature.

In an updated version of Dr. Wilson’s theory of gravity the quantum field is conceptualized as a boundary between nonphysical and physical 'space'.  For simplicity’s sake let’s say that at this boundary particles of matter are constantly popping into and out of physical existence.  And, that they pop into physical existence with some mass, moving at some velocity, and are traveling in some random direction.  These newly minted quantum particles can then be thought of as zillons of tiny billiard balls capable of transferring momentum to particles of matter already within physical space.  

Dr. Wilson’s theory claims that the density of these quantum particles is not uniform due to localized stretching and compression of the quantum field.  His theory claims that density gradients exist within the field and that these gradients, acting upon a mass in a sort of biased Brownian motion, are the force we call gravity.

So, back to the “discovery” . . .

If Dr. Wilson’s field gradients exist, density of the field at any point in space should vary in correspondence with the gravitation force at that point in space.  If this field is the media through which light travels (the oft theorized ‘ether’ or ‘aether’) density variation should lead to variations in the "ether's" index of refraction.  And as all good little physicists know, as the index of refraction of the media, through which light travels, varies so do both the speed of light and its wavelength.

Now back to Michelson’s experiment from the 1930s, actually Michelson, Pearson and Pease.  This experiment was an attempt to more accurately determine the speed of light.  For those interested in such things the experiment’s report, published by Pearson and Pease after Michelson’s death, is available online in PDF format at:  

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1935ApJ....82...26...

(Note: This is a large document and takes a while to download)

In that report the authors discuss their observed correlation between their light speed measurements and the local ocean tides.  My own analysis of data from their report points to strong evidence of cyclic variation in their light speed measurements that correlates to the gravitational tidal force of the Moon.  The Earth-Moon distance goes through a two-week cycle of apogee/perigee leading to a two week, cyclic variation in the Moon’s gravitational force.   Dr. Wilson’s theory of gravity would predict light speed variation on a two week cycle as a result.  It also predicts light speed variation on a daily cycle.  Rotation of the Earth causes daily cyclic variation in the Moon’s gravitational influence, as well as a six-month cyclic variation due to earth’s apogee/perigee in its annual orbit of the Sun.  My analysis of the Michelson data suggests that the daily cycle of light speed variation exists.

So, what’s next?

Other experimental light velocity evidence, notably the work of Roland DeWitte, points to the validity of Dr. Wilson’s theory.  I’d like to see scientists rerun an updated version of the Michelson, Pearson and Pease experiment.  Who knows, maybe what Dr. Wilson passed along  after he passed on would be validated.  Any scientists out there interested in talking to an amateur about the design of such an experiment?

Bruce  

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Reply #8 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 12:24pm
 
Thanks to all for the amazingly gratifying responses!

Bruce, thank you for the detailed scientific updates/discoveries. I find it infinitely interesting to note that these discoveries lead to far greater degrees of curiosity; henceforth more discoveries; eventually unravelling the underpinnings to our amazingly complex, yet elegantly simple Ultimate Reality.

I have a few links that may correlate well with the notions that you have provided regarding the assumptions/theories of quantum particles, tide movements, and gravity. Also, I have found it to be quite intruiging:

1.) http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/wright.htm

2.) http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/8265.html

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Reply #9 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 10:12pm
 
Hi,
Bruce, what is not clear to me is whether the indications for the truth of Wilson's theory are crucial, in the meaning if the effects described could not be explained by the old theories. For example light is known to be influenced by gravitation, or to be exact (as far as I know) the space (and with it, time) itself is bent and therefore, depending on the point and the speed etc. of the viewer, there are variations of the light's direction and time/arrival delays noticeable. The movement of the moon and earth around each other is surely bending space (time) according to Einstein's theory, so changes in the behaviour of light are conform with it. Every point in space and time can be described by a tensor, and the relationship of points is, in Einstein's theory, completely described when the data of the tensors of all points are known.

It's like the famous Michelson/Morley experiment about the ether. It was not proven that there is no ether, but you just don't need it to make correct predictions, and the ether (in the physical meaning) had to be a very strange and complicated substance if it exists, so it's just simplier to let it go. An ether only can re-invented into physics when it explain things which cannot be explained by recent physics, or if the explanation would be simplier.

The micro-world is a different thing, indeed physicists are talking about a quantum field with random fluctuations. Though, random under statistical law, that's fascinating, not chaos, that means it's not that for half an hour my house vanishes and then it's back again, no, if at one point something is taken, in the neighbourhood something is appearing so that in our everyday macro world we don't notice these fluctuations as fluctuations (though the world seems to be built on this)- that's at least my way to think about it, I'm not a physicist. But there is much possible in the quantum world and we don't know really what. I remember Bruce, you wrote about an idea you had, about a random-machine, that would, if I recall it right, amplify a random micro event so that there would be a "free will" noticeable, but still in line with physical laws. I like the theory that our brain is a quantum-effect amplifier, a nice solution of the mind-body influence problem, though not a general solution because the problem remains in the area of the mind.

Hope this wasn't totally off topic,
Spooky
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