On another thread Caryn was talking about the music of the spheres. She said:

'The octave ratio of the Planets is also known as the
Music of the Spheres or Harmony of the Spheres.
And it is what astrologers base their philosophy
upon; to quote Pythagoras-

"Let us set our hearts on the sublime symphonies of the Universe.  Though our mortal ears be deaf to the Music of the Spheres, yet it will be heard in the extended ears of our souls"

It is said God created the Universe by releasing the Sounding Note that placed the Planets in harmony together, as a orchestra that is perfectly in tune.  The Planets are in a Slow Dance and weave their Dance throughout the Universe and if we listen carefully we Dance with them and they Dance with us.   

Pythagoras (580 bc) laid the basis for the idea of planetary ratio when he showed that intervals of the scale could be expressed in simple ratios: applying these ratios to the supposed distances of the planets.  And later Robert Fludd (15th century) believed that the music is produced from the impinging of the moving Sun upon the paths of the planets.

Johannes Kepler in 1619 made an equation between the celestial motions of the solar system and musical intervals and is as follows; Saturn is connected with the major third, with the twelve tones and the minor third.  Jupiter is connected with the octave, the three octaves and the perfect fifth.  Mars is connected with the minor third (plus two octaves and plus one octave). The earth itself is connected with the diatonic semitone, the perfect fifth and the major sixth.  Venus is connected with the chromatic semitone, the minor sixth and the double octave.  Mercury is connected with the minor third (plus one octave) and the major sixth...."
Caryn Augo.

This morning our newspaper said that on August 24th a determination will be made on whether Pluto gets to remain a planet, and whether other objects in orbit around our sun (and even just Jupitor's moons) will be now considered planets.
The possible total, the paper said, could come to 12---?? 
Does this have to do with other changes being forecast?

On a slightly different note, check out this website that Rob Roy directed me to:

http://www.esposthumus.com/

This is how they describe their music:

"Their compositions are inspired by the Pythagorean Philosophy which states that music is the harmonization of opposites; the conciliation of warring elements".

Love
Irene

Hi  

Irene, that is a lovely site thank you.  Spooky a very good question that i would like to answer; but first more clarity on the new planets.

Still nothing released on astrology websites (that i can find) but it is early days and serious consideration must be given .. i keep with my above consideration however i see that they are
calling the planets;

New Planet one : Ceres
New Planet two : Xena
and Chiron

Naming and saying planet one is Ceres is just as exciting :  Ceres has been around, as Chiron, for a while now and is accorded similiar status to Chiron ie it is not accorded a sign.

This means that it is not Virgo's Apollo - we have to still wait a bit for Apollo to be found - but Ceres is heralding Apollo in. Ceres is in the constellation of Virgo, set in the Ear of Corn held by this female figure; Virgo.  Virgo is linked with the Virgin Mary, and the Spica (Ceres also known as Spica) in the arms of the asterism with Jesus, held in the arms of his Virgin mother.  Also, linked with Isis.

Ceres denotes vegatation and harvest.  And is the placement of 'what you sow you shall reap'.

Now, to me this says ... Virgo cannot be accorded Apollo yet (Apollo standing for peace) alas, a bit soon for peace .. things still need to be worked out but with Ceres in the constellation of Virgo .. is saying it will come about but first we need to harvest the goodness.

Xena is a modern day name (i see it's named after someones' daughter) Now this, i am certain, is a planet to be part of the Zodiac Taurus, Vulcan ... Taurus being Earth and Vulcan being the essence of man.  It make sense to be that at this stage of our evolution we have recognised the Essence in us.

This is so awesome, it is Divine, it is the Spirit at work .. can you see a unfoldment here?

And this is where your question comes in Spooky ... What makes a planet a planet instead of an asteriod or just a ice rock floating in space ...

The answer is Us our spirit at work and in action.  It is a rock, a raw rock that can hurtle through space until it is caught up into a planet path and settles into a steady path around the Sun.

It is our thoughts and energies that make it a bona fide Planet .. we define it, we give it the colour and character, we validate it.  As part of our evolution we are responsible for making it come about.
So it might remain a rock our it might become a majestic dignified Planet that has status.  I do believe We have made these three Planets .. still early days but there they are.

Once our zodiac constellation has each planet to its own we will be on the brink of a new universe.  There will be many more rocks discovered and this will be the start of our New Zodiac that we will create with our evolution.  They will be raw rock it will be up to us to define them.

I hope i've made sense here .. this is the true meaning of esoterism; the Spirit in creative action.



Also, just have to note this because its so amazing .. my first planet post was made at 08:18:08 (not on purpose it just happened) and 8 is the number of Isis. wow.

Thanks! Your discussions are  very helpful.
Do any of you know how many notes in an (eastern) Indian or Hindu octave scale, or any other system that has more than 7 notes?
bets

Hi,
Caryn now I see. From the viewpoint you told of what I had seen as unlogical is vanishing. It's just I first look if a thought-system is "round", if there are contradictions or not.

Betson I some days ago I heard an Arabian musician telling they have tones between the western half-tones. (Which is plain to hear when you listen to middle-asiatic and Arabian music) But I don't know how it is with the notation of it. Also, in Klezmer music and in Blues music the notes between the half tones are essential.
Our 12-tone tempered tuning is only a compromise. It is made to keep the pitch of the tones the same in different transpositions/scales. Before this, instruments were tuned to the scale, the basic tone of the piece of music to be played. I've heard people say after they listened to an old-style tuned church organ that it sounded much clearer and more pure, more "right" than the usual tempered tuning.

Spooky

Update:
Pluto's oblong orbit that crosses over Neptune's has got Pluto in trouble. Now it is no longer offically declared a planet.
But I think what we've said here has more bearing on the situation!
Thanks for all your input to develop our understanding

for we are

The Friends of Pluto

For those that haven't seen it, here is today's news article:


Astronomers Give Pluto the Boot as Planet
By WILLIAM J. KOLE, AP

PRAGUE, Czech Republic (Aug. 24) - Leading astronomers declared Thursday that Pluto is no longer a planet under historic new guidelines that downsize the solar system from nine planets to eight.

   


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After a tumultuous week of clashing over the essence of the cosmos, the International Astronomical Union stripped Pluto of the planetary status it has held since its discovery in 1930. The new definition of what is -- and isn't -- a planet fills a centuries-old black hole for scientists who have labored since Copernicus without one.

Although astronomers applauded after the vote, Jocelyn Bell Burnell -- a specialist in neutron stars from Northern Ireland who oversaw the proceedings -- urged those who might be "quite disappointed" to look on the bright side.

"It could be argued that we are creating an umbrella called 'planet' under which the dwarf planets exist," she said, drawing laughter by waving a stuffed Pluto of Walt Disney fame beneath a real umbrella.

"Many more Plutos wait to be discovered," added Richard Binzel, a professor of planetary science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

The decision by the prestigious international group spells out the basic tests that celestial objects will have to meet before they can be considered for admission to the elite cosmic club.

   
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   For now, membership will be restricted to the eight "classical" planets in the solar system: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.

Much-maligned Pluto doesn't make the grade under the new rules for a planet: "a celestial body that is in orbit around the sun, has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a ... nearly round shape, and has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit."

Pluto is automatically disqualified because its oblong orbit overlaps with Neptune's.

Instead, it will be reclassified in a new category of "dwarf planets," similar to what long have been termed "minor planets." The definition also lays out a third class of lesser objects that orbit the sun -- "small solar system bodies," a term that will apply to numerous asteroids, comets and other natural satellites.

Experts said there could be dozens of dwarf planets catalogued across the solar system in the next few years.

NASA said Thursday that Pluto's demotion would not affect its $700 million New Horizons spacecraft mission, which earlier this year began a 9 1/2-year journey to the oddball object to unearth more of its secrets.

"We will continue pursuing exploration of the most scientifically interesting objects in the solar system, regardless of how they are categorized," Paul Hertz, chief scientist for the science mission directorate, said in a statement.

The decision on Pluto at a conference of 2,500 astronomers from 75 countries was a dramatic shift from just a week ago, when the group's leaders floated a proposal that would have reaffirmed Pluto's planetary status and made planets of its largest moon and two other objects.

   
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That plan proved highly unpopular, splitting astronomers into factions and triggering days of sometimes combative debate that led to Pluto's undoing. In the end, only about 300 astronomers cast ballots.

Now, two of the objects that at one point were cruising toward possible full-fledged planethood will join Pluto as dwarfs: the asteroid Ceres, which was a planet in the 1800s before it got demoted, and 2003 UB313, an icy object slightly larger than Pluto whose discoverer, Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology, has nicknamed Xena.

Charon, the largest of Pluto's three moons, is no longer under consideration for any special designation.

Brown, who watched the proceedings from Cal Tech, took Thursday's vote in stride -- even though his discovery won't be christened a planet.

"UB313 is the largest dwarf planet. That's kind of cool," he said.

AP Science Writer Alicia Chang in Los Angeles contributed to this story.


8/24/2006 12:21:25