In my opinion,the spirit world is not heaven.I think its a place between our earth and heaven.So I would say that everyone who dies go to the spirit world.We could stay there as long as we want,before coming back to earth for more lassons.As jesus says,many are called,but few our chosen,or all have sinned and have come short of the kindom of God.George

While I dont want to draw this thread into a religious one it has to be pointed out that in all of Bruces books and all the other material I have read I have never come across an overly religious theme to the more level-headed afterlife research. Don't get me wrong im not denying the existance of God or Heaven but by citing certain Jesus quotes are you not enforcing the idea that one religious is right at the expense of others?

The spiritworld is heaven my dads there i know he is i know when my time comes i will meet my dad there love and light deanna

Juditha,

I don't think those thieves where what you would class as sinners ,from what I remember they stole for survival, bread wasnt it. And in the higher order I'm not sure thats a sin.

In any case the after life is still a process for our souls /higher selves to learn through. I don't think its a picnic as the process of evolution is still at hand. In any case once you regain full consciousness I'm sure you'll see things differently than you do today.

newwayknight wrote on Aug 7^th, 2006 at 7:35pm:


I apologise for kinda starting a slightly off-topic debate, but a lot of whats said here goes over my head so I dont get many chances to post. I appreciate what your saying but it seems to me that and your right  Bruces own experiences don't conflict with the Christian faith, but he himself sais Christians end up in their own idylic vision of heaven all together, suggesting that the afterlife is what we make it. From his books I get the impression there is a 'central core' that sort of organises it but that everyone else is free to do as they wish Christians have their heaven, Satanists have their hell and pie eaters spend their time flying round the clouds on a giant blueberry pie if thats what they choose.

Now fair play people suggesting that this is all actually heaven or that heaven comes after, and that God created all or God is our father etc but it seems to me when they do this in their head they see it in their own religious sense whether thats Christianity, Catholicism etc. And as you say since we don't know all then maybe if the afterlife is religious maybe Christianity is the true religion, maybe the Greeks were right with their many gods but the point I was badly making was that people seems to still have this 'the afterlife is christian cos im christian and it must be right' mindset.

ps. sometimes I ramble sometimes I dont make my point very well, maybe this is one of those times 

Hi Senote,

I think you made your point very well, I just wanted to suggest that the concepts of God and faith are likely alot broader than many of God's followers suggest as they try to put God in a "box" so to speak.  I've always found it amusing that many claim to know all the "rules" or "boundaries" of God, etc.

The other issue is the matter of interpretation.  Bruce's findings of the personal hell mesh pretty well with what I tend to believe...I.E.  that God doesn't SEND you to hell, you pretty much have to choose or want to go there. 

I do believe in justice, however, regarding those doing great evils in the world willfully and consciously, but I believe these are the sorts of people that would almost choose to be in a Max's Hell like in Bruce's chapter.  A true heaven would almost be a hell to this sort.

There are also alot of semantics with translation in religious documents, some of which are very significant.  A small nuance missed in translation can alter the interpretation.

I just wanted to suggest that what Bruce has found is not entirely unreconcileable..in fact, I've always believed that the real Heaven (and I'm a Catholic) is a whole lot like Focus 27 in Bruce's descriptions.  That sounds like an incredible place beyond what I've ever heard or seen...in other words, a real Heaven.

I'll go with the below. Chances are that Jesus was simply telling people that if you want to end up in a nice place when you die, then don't sow a negative one while you're here in the physical  (not his words of course). It's not about punishment. It's about what you sow. If a person spends his or her life being an angry hateful person, chances are they won't be ready to move on to heaven when they cross over.


[quote author=newwayknight link=1154981181/0#10 date=1155073022]Hi Senote,


There are also alot of semantics with translation in religious documents, some of which are very significant.  A small nuance missed in translation can alter the interpretation.