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Do we disappear when we wake-up?
Aug 7^th, 2006 at 2:40pm

Can someone tell me what people from the other see as we begin to wake-up and leave the astral plane. I think about how we interact with them, but as we awake, what do they see and how do they feel about it. Are we ghost to them and vice versa? One night I touch a little girl just to see how real she felt. She felt as real as the clothes on my back. She was nice enough not to get upset when I touched her. I pushed my finger into her arm pretty hard Undecided

to see if she could feel my finger, which she could by the look on her face. Its a little weird to me that I may be a ghost to people on that plane. One minute your talking or doing whatever, then I or we just wake-up. Its nice to go there at night and I try to be on my best behavior when I'm there. I once had a lady show me a group of people that where doing something important and she told me to be very quiet. Well, I didn't and made a fool of myself by yelling out, "How's everybody doing." Well she was a little upset and it ended there. Does any of this sound like something you've experienced.

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Reply #1 - Aug 7^th, 2006 at 5:26pm

In answer to your question,we do dissapear ,when we leave the astral plain,as our spirit returns to our physical body,and spirit on the astral plain know that we are only in visitation,as spirit visit us on the earth plain.

Its just a natural process,for our spirit to visit the astral ,from time to time,when we are asleep.Hope its answered your question.Love and God bless juditha

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AH1976 Full Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 188 Midlands, UK Gender:	Re: Do we disappear when we wake-up? Reply #2 - Aug 7^th, 2006 at 5:30pm Thats an interesting question, since the concept of time there is different to how it is here who's to say our experience there doesnt just continue?
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Reply #3 - Aug 7^th, 2006 at 5:46pm

I've been both There and Here at the same "time"..time..such an odd concept, when you think about it..

There have been many times in my dreams when I have told those I was with there "I have to go now." Usually, right after such a statement, I wake up.

However, they are more aware of where we are, in there constant "awake" state, than we are of them.

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Reply #4 - Aug 7^th, 2006 at 7:31pm

Hi Neffort,

that IS an interesting thought, as regarding whether we are "ghosts" towards someone else's world. I've lightly mused about that before, and it is really interesting that you bring that possibility up. I've also thought about the "there and here" idea too.

I've often felt sad when I've had a warm dream with friendly individuals and felt myself fading out towards the conscious world in this time/space. I've wondered if they've felt saddened, etc, as sometimes I was giving advice or talking with them about problems, etc...even to the point of shouting out certain things as I faded out in the dream...

good post.

Stephen

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goldyflocks Full Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 139 england Gender:	Re: Do we disappear when we wake-up? Reply #5 - Aug 7^th, 2006 at 7:42pm Sometimes on awakeing I hear the most lovely Music playing then it suddenly fades as I wake up properly! I wonder what that is all about... Has this happened to any of you Guys??
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Reply #6 - Aug 8^th, 2006 at 1:26pm

ha ha ha i do that all the time- disrupting quiet groups. i used to seek out quiet groups just so i could disrupt them. dont worry, they are used to it. everyone over there expects this kind of behavior, its totally normal. i only recently started to curtail my behavior.
we exist simultaneously on every level. lots of higher and lower selves.
however we blink in and out all the time too, as we move around. people expect it, no problem. i used to arrive, and start my mission of the night, and warn people of exactly how much time i had- because i could tell by my bodys breathing if i was about to be snapped out.

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Reply #8 - Aug 16^th, 2006 at 2:12am

shorty wrote on Aug 15^th, 2006 at 1:38pm:

umm whats an astral plain??

Hi..an astral plane is like another dimension where the astral body surfs around such as what is called out of body or OBE. the astral body is an emotional body of man. it sounds like on this thread some are active on those levels and also remember and believe that they are really there. I believe we go out of our body in our spirit or astral body at night, but its difficult to remember within the brain when we wake up.

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Reply #9 - Aug 16^th, 2006 at 2:52am

Understanding the Astral World

The realm above, next to and around our visible world is the Astral realm. The Astral realm should be viewed as an initiation station, a gateway.

The Astral is a realm where desires, passions, feelings, wishes, sensations, blind instincts, fantasies and lust take on myriads of forms and shapes.

Here supersensible beings higher and lower than man can assume shape and form; some entice and deceive him, others to communicate with him. Here also are mankinds individual and collective hates, passions, wishes etc that take shape and form.

In addition, all the soul qualities concentrated in the various animal species have their group souls in the Astral world. For instance, the quality of cattiness that embraces all cats, the tigerishness in all tigers, the rattiness of rats, the foxiness of all foxes etc.

One can also encounter astral forms representing qualities of supersensible beings which never incarnate on earth. .

What a diversity of shapes of forms all these beings can assume. How hideous some of these can be sensed from descriptions of nightmares, childhood dreams and feverish experiences.

In the Astral world forces of sympathy and antipathy are dominant.
Each mans own inner nature attracts to himself those beings of a similar nature to this own. Antipathy repels to unlike him.

Self-knowledge therefore, is essential before entering the Astral world, because ones own desires and passions confront him in animal or more seldom, in human form. Even the conditions of ones physical organs are spread our before him and take a dramatic animal form. Delusion results for the unprepared and unsuspecting.

Into this world is the medium, the drugged and the hypnotised cast. The dangers of deception are present every moment and he who enters the astral world unprepared and uninformed of its nature will therefore bring back unreliable information and fantasy.

The human being has a supersensible 'double' which takes of his own inner nature and ones own inner nature may take on shapes so horrible and frightening.

One may call our 'double' in the Astral world as 'The Dweller of the Threshold'. It is he himself in his unpurified inner nature that thus confronts him.

This is the key, the gateway, to raise our sentinent soul to the level of Spirit-Self.

Man needs a high degree of ethical development, self knowledge and courage in order to enter the higher worlds safely. With this man gains freedom as an individual ego distinct from his former state of being just a member of a family, a tribe or nation.

Rudolf Steiner work

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Reply #10 - Aug 16^th, 2006 at 1:44pm

Hi Caryn, is this book the title at the top? written early part of the century? thought it might be called The Dweller on the Threshold.
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Man needs a high degree of ethical development, self knowledge and courage in order to enter the higher worlds safely. With this man gains freedom as an individual ego distinct from his former state of being just a member of a family, a tribe or nation.

I like what is said above. especially the courage part!

thanks for posting this.

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Reply #11 - Aug 17^th, 2006 at 4:27am

Hi Alysia

um, no it's not the title at the top (do we disappear when we wake-up - lol no we don't! not when we wake-up at least) it's part of Steiner's work that is included in most of the books published from his lectures.

It is a very strong term hey .. The Dweller on the Threshold .. it also has another name doppleganger .. i have seen you mention that name before.

Yes you right courage and contemplation on the meaning ..

hope you are well

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Reply #12 - Aug 17^th, 2006 at 12:43pm

Hi Caryn (we seem to follow each other around, lol)
I just noticed your exciting tag: Thoughts are but wandering spirits that depend for their vitality upon the magnetic currents of feeling

where did u get this? I find it truthful. when I read ACIM it said one of the afirmations "you are but a thought of God." it sort of put my ego in its place...lol...I started to appreciate my capacity to be thoughtful, or creative, but I realized I did not have to be defensive about my thought system that I hee hee, thought I had created as a creator alongside god. whatever god is. god is All that Is. best explanation I've heard so far.

how could we be defending our beliefs if in truth we are but someone else's thought? I'm just feeling grateful I have a life. I suspect as spirit, theres been many lives.
so I think about things like this and your tag caught my eye and you seem like, you and I are clone mentalities perhaps...good heavens, I hope I am not boxing you up! just joking. I am glad to meet you though. love, alysia

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Reply #13 - Aug 18^th, 2006 at 5:03am

Heya Alysia ... clone mentalities!! lol no please dont think that you think you boxing me up, all thoughts and discussions are great - i really enjoy honest up front discussion more than anything even if this means someone saying .. i think you freaked out and totally off your rocker! i appreciate natural honesty in expression. And i think you have great energy Alysia.

lol my tag's .. it is from my book 6000 quotes! i just read this nowdays .. i love quotes and find they parallel life to a T. This particular quote i have now is for the finding of the new planets

mmm .. 'how could we be defending our beliefs if in truth we are but someone else's thought'
From my pov; i have no qualms about defending my belief in God and if i am a thought of God then even more so i will defend him. Because then He is part of me and i am part of Him.

Here in earth i am but a fragment of my imagination that lives in Heaven (er not a space ship lol)

Glad to meet you too Alysia.

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Reply #14 - Aug 18^th, 2006 at 12:14pm

A space ship ride...probably better than shopping at the mall Grin

was just preparing a sermon today and got confused whose sermon it was! Grin

I thank you to say I have great energy and honesty is good too. God is good somebody said. God is great. the word god came from the word good, did it not? I think..therefore I am. life in abundance is all we could wish one day I said this to self as I had no money so life force would have to do. life force is god and we are degrees of life force. is there anyone out there has life vitality in short supply? maybe we could open you up to your magniificent llife in abundance and health at your fingertips. this place is fast food spirituality! Grin

I feel like I'm from another century and still marveling over these computer gadgets. I must be one with dead preacher guy then, my other life energy.
I think I need support Kiss

end of sermon to say I wish all great vitality and life in abundance for we are all deserving each and every one. It is possible to believe we are separate from god as all belief systems are here. yet is is impossible to be sick in body, spirit or mind and lose hope when the mind with its dividing ability ceases to divide itself from its good, from god, from all that is, as well each other, and will say I am that I am, and I am also that, and this, and it is all good for all things work for the highest good in the end. let the show continue.
hee hee. I am lecturing myself. I'm involved in a legal battle presently and need to practice, I mean put my foot where my mouth is. and now, let us pray. Undecided

affirmation: stay in the now as theres no time like the present..it only comes 'round once.
hugs, alysia

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