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<<<< FEAR!!!!!>>>>   The greatest barrier
Jul 28th, 2006 at 10:06am
 
Robert Monroe, Bruce Moen and almost every other mystic teacher has said that the fear of death is the greatest barrier to overcome in the quest for afterlife knowledge and you must transcend it in order to make substantial progress on this path.

Has anyone out there had any specific victories over this fear that you could post here?  Have you had a very memorable event in which you were able to let go of it?  Or was it a gradual letting go?

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Reply #1 - Jul 28th, 2006 at 10:29am
 
Fear is one of the greatest barriers to action and perception - not just to afterlife knowledge.  Some have hypothesized that since love banishes fear, that conquering fear in our lives is one of the main reasons as to why we are incarnate (in the flesh) at all. 

I don't think a fear of death will prevent you from exploring the afterlife.  In my humble opinion, it is more that a restrictive belief system, possibly based on fears will tell you that afterlife exploration is forbidden, or a fantasy.  It is losing these fear based belief systems that frees our consciousness up enough to explore and roam free.  Fears may make us cling to old belief systems.  "I'm not going to really believe in contacting the dead, because the scientific method has not validated this," we might say to ourselves.  We hold on to the scientific method which states that our thoughts are merely the effect of neurochemical signals in our brains and that we are nothing more than that.  Our fear does not let us embrace a more open minded approach. 

In one of my old threads on this board, we explored various techniques at banishing fears.  One is to embrace that which you fear.  Using imagery you can do it.  If you fear swimming, create an ocean in your mind, and swim in it.  A fear of elevators may be dealt with by going over the elevator in detail in your mind, marveling at the mechanics, and taking practice runs and rides in it.  There is a whole school of behavioral therapy known as desensitization based on this.

I would imagine that some of the veterans here will also let you know that for the most part, fear and love can not coexist.  Bruce gives an excellent example in one of his books of banishing a banshee terrifying a person by projecting PUL on the created demon (it just vanished).  One can hold a dear one in one's thoughts (your child, loved one) and refocus your preoccupying fear into love.  Or if you are bold enough, you can embrace the feared object or person itself.  That takes a lot of moxy, but it may be the most direct approach.


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Reply #2 - Jul 28th, 2006 at 1:11pm
 
Reading Bruce's books helped me so very much in reducing fear. Then when I started doing retrievals and actually saw the afterlife, felt it, my fears just evaporated.  One of the things taught at The Monroe Institute is to create in your mind an ECB (energy conversion box) in which you place all your fears and anything that might keep you from concentrating on your experience. When everything is in the ECB, close the heavy lid and then forget about it. Your fears are then safely locked away and they will be converted (energy conversion box).

Also remember that fear and love cannot exist at the same time. Open your heart to love, Pure Unconditional Love, and fears evaporate.

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Reply #3 - Jul 28th, 2006 at 4:31pm
 
Are you speaking from your experience of heart surgery, dearRick? Because if you are, I haven't had that experience so perhaps my words won't hold any relevance for you. I don't even suggest this procedure, just the outcome: However, I banished terror once when terrified by a flashback, my third eye popped out and ('Pac-man' style  Cheesy) sort of gobbled up the terrifying images.  OK, that sounds silly but the feeling immediately after was what convinced me tht something more is going on. I felt the the  most loving sense of Love, way more than relief, way more than anything I'd felt before. It had to be given by a Greater Source. That Source is what is beyond everything and is happy when we banish fear. (By the way the eye is back in now, ending some headaches, so I don't think it's meant to be out there.  Wink )  Bruce Moen's referrals to PUL Pure Unconditionnal Love come closer to what I experienced than any other way of expressing it and that's why I'm here.
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Reply #4 - Jul 28th, 2006 at 4:36pm
 
Marilyn wrote:

"Also remember that fear and love cannot exist at the same time. Open your heart to love, Pure Unconditional Love, and fears evaporate."

All the world's prophets never spoke words truer than these.

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Reply #5 - Jul 29th, 2006 at 1:05am
 
Thanks for all your comments. 

For the last few years I've been having this experience while dreaming that I suddenly become aware that I'm dreaming and I get excited about the possibility of going OOB.  And then a paralysis of some sort takes over my body and I feel completely frozen. It scared me at first and I would struggle against it thinking that if I fought hard I could get "out".  That never worked.  I only managed to force my physical body to sit straight up, which would wake me up.

After having had open heart surgery (and thanks for mentioning that Bets) I noticed that I'm much more relaxed when the paraysis thing hits.  One time I remember doing a 180 degree horizontal rotation and ended up looking at my physical feet before waking up.    A couple of times lately I've been able to be more rational and say to myself, "relax and float upwards" and my secong body seems to obey. 

before the surgery I remember saying to myself, "If it's time to go...  I'm ok with that.  If there is more for me to learn  here then I'm ok with that too".  Perhaps this resignation to fate is what's bringing about this progress.  I don't know for sure.
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Reply #6 - Jul 29th, 2006 at 7:56pm
 
seven years ago I would never even have imagined myself here, i understood OBE and anything like exploring the afterlife only happened when you were on deaths door
How different agter reading all of Bruce's books
also read the James Redfield series and here I am!
I even believe that I did a retreival last night but not sure whether I saved the croc from his experience with a girl or the Girl from the Croc, was very muddling! Shocked
love to all
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Reply #7 - Jul 29th, 2006 at 8:14pm
 
I used to have a great fear of death..I did not want to die, period.

After doing some exploring though, and reading Bruce and Robert's books, that fear seems to be gone, completely.

The only part that I do still fear is the method.  That is, I don't want to like..fall from a really tall place and go splat..or drown or otherwise suffocate.
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Reply #8 - Jul 30th, 2006 at 2:21am
 
Media said: before the surgery I remember saying to myself, "If it's time to go...  I'm ok with that.  If there is more for me to learn  here then I'm ok with that too".  Perhaps this resignation to fate is what's bringing about this progress.  I don't know for sure.

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I think thats healthy attitude, like a balance there. I'm sure its helping with your progress.
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Hi Shirley. I believe you can pick your type of death by how often you think and imagine it. I'm picking an easy one this time around.

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Reply #9 - Jul 30th, 2006 at 7:23am
 
Hi Alysia..I keep thinking about my car going over a cliff..however, I don't think its a current "thought" but one from my past..
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Reply #10 - Jul 30th, 2006 at 10:12am
 
Hi I have a certain amount of fear of the process of dieing,but i have always had the feeling i will die in my sleep ,which would be great if i did,i will find out one day if i am right.Love and god bless juditha
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Reply #11 - Jul 30th, 2006 at 1:52pm
 
hi there. I'm going to die in my sleep too, then I'm going to make my eyelids pop wide open and scare my kids for fun...he he he he.. Wink
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Reply #12 - Jul 30th, 2006 at 3:32pm
 
Hi Guys,

For me it's more about fear of living, what am I to do to find joy, make money, love and continue to value the people around me... than it is about dying.  Living is the hard part and I notice this especially with many of my clients who are young, middle, and elder who are ready to "take their marbles and go home" because they see nothing to look forward to.  I can understand their plight but I tend to view it more as them having a misunderstanding of why we are here, loss of something they really used to believe in, or just a general lack of knowing that there is a lot more action going on then C1 consciousness.  For many around me, there is no awarness that spirituality has broadened and that there is a world of support for any seeking it.

I've noticed that when I really tune into my fear now, I recognize why Monroe instructed us in the tune-up tape to get in touch with the radiation of the emotion felt. I imagine the radiation of fear as it becomes almost palatable, look at it, let it go and then usually when the reason is tagged on to it, I can start to figure out what I need to do to reduce it.  The radition of fear seems to be my biggest motivator to action.  I suspect that it was the main emotion behind my enthausism for Monroe and Bruce and it sure paid off in the fear of death area.

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Reply #13 - Jul 30th, 2006 at 6:52pm
 
"And then a paralysis of some sort takes over my body and I feel completely frozen. It scared me at first and I would struggle against it thinking that if I fought hard I could get "out".  That never worked."

That happens to me a few times a week, in the morning when I am just waking up and start to drift back to sleep. It's very scary to me, and I also get a buzzing in my ears right before it and often hear... yes I hear... low voices whispering.  I also feel my body start to rock, and hope that it will be an oob experience, but that hasn't happened in years. But the fear gets me most of the time. I try and say to myself.. ok lets do this... but then after sometime it all goes away and I am able to move.
Fear of dying use to bother me, but since my daughter passed away, I look forward to it!
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