The difference between a stumbling block and a stepping stone is simply attitude.

That's also the difference between a devil and an angel.

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I know I'm a little late to the party here but thanks for the above quote, Recoverer.  It answered some questions I've had for nearly 20 years about one of my own experiences.

Love,
Rick

Hi Augo,
That quote about some of it being disturbing made me curious too.  I hope he does write a book about it.  I'd like to know what he meant.

In regards to the similarities with one of my experiences: it has to do with the barrier that he talks about.  In my experience I became conscious in a dream and found myself in a valley with 12 orientals (One of them I knew from the physical).  We all began to pray and then at one point we all lined up in single file.  I was third.  We all began to lift off the ground but I was to heavy so the person behind me helped me (he actually poked his thumb into the muscle between my genitals and the anus and as soon as I "pinched" this area tight I was able to levitate).  We began to fly over the earth, over hills and valleys and cities and eventually I felt the confidence to "go for it" and I shot straight up at what seemed to be the speed of light (some of this experience I've posted in the past).  When I felt as though I was approaching a barrier I began to question where I was going.  As soon as I started to think this way I was immediately grounded.  Richard L was able to break through the barrier and experience something very special.   It makes me wonder why we perceived  a barrier at all.  Maybe the barrier represents the casting off of all attachment to the physical so that you can perceive more clearly.  It's an interesting topic.  Do you have any thoughts on this?
Rick

Hi Irene and Rick

That was a powerful experience you had Rick .. (the method to lift off is quite different, im wondering if we all going to start pinching that muscle now lol - wonder what that meant?!)

I know what you are saying about the speed - ive had one conscious obe where i went straight through the glass window of my lounge - i experienced a speed lift so powerful it made me realise this is how one would shoot straight towards 'home' - yes, through the barrier! also as soon as i thought about it i was grounded.  Did you see what the barrier looked like Rick or was it more of a knowing feeling?

i think as well, as you said Irene and Rick, the barrier can only be crossed once we die and all our spiritual bodies are completely freed from our physical body.  Richard L had died and so was able to go over the barrier but he came back to life, back through the barrier which is also interesting to be able to do this.

I like the metaphor you suggested Rick  - in perceiving the/a barrier in this case its almost like the dweller on the threshold that protects ourselves from ourselves if we not ready to enter the other worlds.

Somehow i think this barrier between here and there must be the magnetic shield that envelopes the earth .. what do you think?

Love
Caryn

That's a good description of fear and love Rick, thanks.
And the muscle position - very interesting.

Your experience is making me think about the path of Nos, Book of the Resurrection which is based on Nietzsche's work.  Which is based on the Hindu philosophical system and Yoga.  Awesome reading.

The path of Nos which is the way of A-Mor (A=without and Mor=death - without death) It was the initiatory doctrine of the troubadours, the Minnesangerand the Fedele d'Amore It was a kind of tantrism, a magic love.  and talks about the Circle of Returns searching  for the entrance to the Hollow Earth and the Cities of Agharti and Shambhalla in the Himalayas, and the City of the Caesars, the Giants and the White Gods in the Andes.

After each Turn of the Wheel; He (Jason) finds himself in the secret chamber in the mountain.  There is a Round Table with thirteen seats.  The thirteenth seat being for the Master; twelve Knights and one Master.  The thirteenth seat is called the Siege Perilous and in order to sit there Jason must fight a well-armed knight or else a huge cleft opens up under the seat and swallows Jason up.  He has been swallowed up many times in this seat and starts the path of Return again searching for the entrance.  Also, each Knight must come to the Round Table with His Lady, wearing the red gown of resurrection.  

... well, it just reminded me of this literature.

i do believe this literature is talking about the Black Hole which is in the centre of our universe (possibly the Galactic Point?)  the whole theme of this literature (which in my mind is a genuine path)
is a reversal eg Nos = Son and the entrance to the Hollow Earth is the inversion of our earth through a or the black hole = the Circle of Return - caused by the polar shift of the earths magnetic north pole (every 42,000 years)

Nos literature is fill of the polar star also re-reading the Michael books it is written that the universe has periods of reversal; a outward time and a inward time.

To me Jason; a initiate of High Order - remembers the Circle of Return where he entered the Hollow Earth (this must be a purely spiritual state or climate) and has also experienced the Outer Earth (as we are now) through each re-incarnation (for the period of afterlife in the Outer Earth state is not the same as Hollow Earth state, i think) he searches madly for the entrance to the Hollow Earth that may only come about through the shift of the poles or going into the black hole. Possibly both.

This is just a theory of mine - i might be wrong but somehow its all making sense to me.. and it's wrapped in romance .. but it is a romance that has been embraced by the Hindu philosophy and tied in with Orphic literature.  Further to my theory; Christ is the Son of the Gold Sun (Outer World) and Lucifer is the Son of the Black Sun (Hollow Earth) and we find that they are One (The Prince of Light and Darkness) and beyond the Gold Sun and the Black Sun is the Ray of Emerald Light.

It's just what your experience made me think of.