We choose our lives before coming into the ELS (earth life system) but since we have free will, we choose how to live our lives once we're here. This is the way I understand it.

Love, Mairlyn

DocM wrote on Jul 18^th, 2006 at 9:43pm:


I'm wondering how it is that prophecies occur? If we choose our destiny, how does someone "there" tell others what is to happen? Unless it has already happened, before.
Or that maybe the future already exists and they can come back and tell what is to happen.

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Oh it doesn't boggle my mind! Why do you believe this?

Well, I only have a vague understanding of it too Vicky. It's that I've heard it so many times in the past 5 years that I've come to accept it. I understand that when we choose our lives, we can choose to go into the past or into the future. I guess you could say it's a matter of where your focus is. I can't explain it. 

Love, Mairlyn

I'm going to make a stab at a simplified explanation for prophecy and fate, along with free will.  First prophecy.  A new science called "remote viewing," has been explored by the government for years (google it, if you are interested).  The theory behind it, is similar to Jung's theory of the shared collective subconscious - but greater.  It basically states that all of our subconscious minds connect literally to a field or matrix of "all that is."   In this field, all the information, thoughts, images that have ever been or will be are to be found "imprinted" if you will.  Is this field God?  In some ways, perhaps yes.  We are all connected to it, so the theory goes, and don't generally access it with our conscious minds.  In dreams, we may get data from this universal field, but they transform into images, since our mind tries to make sense of an external source of information.

A remote viewer trains to relax and access this field.  By being given specific coordinates/location, the viewer then is trained to let images/information in to their conscious minds and report the results without letting the "interpretor" in their brain over interpret.  You might think that only a few talented souls could do this, but the government testing showed that most people could be trained to remote view people or objects (you can even get the government training manual on the web for free, wild as it sounds).  In remote viewing, viewers are able to obtain information not only about what is at another distant location, but at different points in time.   

Why bring this up?  Because in a way, it explains how we can have free will on earth, and yet how someone can predict a future event.  A Nostradamus, may access this information - see cataclysmic events in the time/no time zone, and then write of them.  In this universal field, linnear time, as we know it does not exist.  It exists in our perception in the conscious incarnated mind.  Does this mean that every prophecy must come to pass, when viewed this way?   I don't think so.  Free will still plays a role, and there may be branching choices or paths if you will that you can imagine accessing.  So on one path, the earth may be destroyed in a holocaust.  On another timeline, with different free will choices, we overcome our destructive tendencies. 

There is also the power of the mind to consider.  In the afterlife and other forms, thought creates reality immediately, with fewer restrictions.  When someone hurls a curse or a prophecy, if those affected incorporate it deeply into their thoughts and beliefs, it is likely to manifest (see discussions on this board of thought creating reality).  This is why certain voodoo and magic "curses," work, when deeply believed in by those affected.

So, in a nutshell, I believe that free will does reign supreme when we are in our conscious incarnated state.  There may be certain events that some will predict or prophesize, by accessing the "grid" of the universe, but these predictions do not cause the choices that lead to the outcome - that is up to us. 

We are, quite literally creatures of thought.  We can't create reality as easily at will (wishing for everything), but we can, through introspective analysis of our own minds learn that our deepest thoughts and beliefs, fears or aspirations are translated into our own realities.  Perhaps, other than unconditional love, that is what we are here on earth to learn.  That we are creative beings, and through love and thought we achieve wonderous things.


Matthew

I suspect we set the general direction and timing, then the details work themselves out.  For instance, my late husband had worked as a tree trimmer for over thirty years.  He had never had a serious accident doing that (bunged himself up mildly in a few other ways, but not trimming).  He went out in storms, swung a chain saw around over his head in raging gales fifty feet off the ground, barely a scratch.  Last September a big limb popped loose when he was on the ground working the ropes, hit the one spot it could have done some damage (where he was standing, out of all the area under the tree) and killed him.  About nine months before that, he'd been hit in almost the same place by a swinging cable hook, which he saw and ducked just in time to just get a busted nose and a headache.  To fit this in with my theory, he was supposed to go at around fifty, fifty-one, from a blow to the head, but exact date and details depended on the circumstances.

Or I could be utterly and totally full of it...take your pick...

Hi James Bond,

just my two cents worth, but I believe that in a plane where there is free will there is not really anything like a rigid fate.  For free will to truly function, there must be a free environment for it to be exercised within.  This brings with it such things as randomness, and perhaps even a little chaos.  This, I truly believe, is why there are horrible occurrences that happen to good people, why violent evil can be exercised on such a large scale (in history), and much more.  It is simply because it is a free world with allowance for free will, and that leaves the potential for randomness, as well as the good, the bad, and the ugly...ranging from willful actions of humans to things that happen within the more physical aspects of our surroundings, such as earthquakes, cancers and heart conditions (both triggered by environment and those caused by lasting genetic inheritance within family lines), etc.  I am probably not doing this argument much justice in such a short response, but let me know if this makes sense or I will be glad to flesh it out further.

Basically:  Freewill World entails a certain degree of randomness, which can have good or bad effects.

Now, as far as "destiny" or "prophecy", I believe you have to take in mind that regarding God and our world on earth, we are talking about two time planes.  Here, we have linear time and we also have space.  There, it is out of time and space, an eternal frame not governed by such limits.  

As such, those in the Eternal Now, would be able to see what will happen as well as what has happened.  That doesn't negate the choices that we make as physical beings in this linear time and space...as we have free will...it just means that those above may very well have the ability to see what choices we did make.  Their perspective is out of time.  Ours is following a linear time.  Does that make sense?  In such an instance, a revelation to a prophet would be perfectly possible, and the foreknowledge of something, given by someone from that Eternal Now, would certainly make a person living within this linear time and space seem like a "destiny" of sorts.  Absolute freedom to act, but those in the Eternal Now could well know what you do, made possible by two entirely different relations to the concept of time.

I hope I didn't garble that too much, but just my two cents worth, as I said.