I've discussed free will and the concept of fate with soooo many people. This is sort of a quasi proof that I think proves fate---but there is a condition. You have to believe that God or a supreme entity of some sort exists. I shall refer to this entity with the pronoun "He" for practicality.

Suppose that a supreme entity exists and this entity therefore has knowledge of everything. Therefore, this entity knows everything that has ever happened, that is happening currently (in our frame of linear time reference), and everything that will happen. To him, time does not seem like what we go through. To God, events in time look like a picture book. Since he knows what will happen, therefore there has to be fate. That is, if you believe in God, this can only work.

However, this does not disregard free will at the same time.  Let's say that you make a choice. In the grand scheme of things, you already made that choice, but you still made it. In OUR frame of reference, we are doing free will. But in God's frame of reference, since he knows everything, then it is fate to him. Therefore, free will is also fate...or I guess it depends on the frame of reference. This is sort of what I think, but it's all just a bunch of thoughts.

What do you guys think?

Greetings Cricket,
Just wanted you to know that I type slowly and my previous reply here was following what Rataplan said, and was not about the news about your husband. I apologize if it seemed otherwise. Your interpretation of the irony him surviving a similiar situation and then re-experiencing it as fatal is how I would see that too.

JamesB, you said book and not movie. Perhaps between the pages with illustrations, we have some space to draw or doodle in the margins? but by the time  the page is turned we're back on track? At least that's how I would now explain it now with your help. I may even change my name to 'consumate doodler.'    Thanks!

What I believe destiny, fate and free will  means is summed up very neatly in a book by Brian Weiss "Messages from the Masters - Tapping into the Power of Love".

"Although every human being has a life plan, we also have free will, as do our parents and evreyone with whom we interact.  Our lives and theirs will be affected by the choices we make while in physical state, but the destiny points will still occur.  We will meet the people we had planned to meet, and we will face the opportunities and obstacles that we had planned long before our births.  How we handle these meetings, however, our reactions and subsequent decisions, are the expressions of our free will.  Destiny and free will will co-exist and interact all the time.  They are complementary, not contradictory". 

I have always felt that the "big" events in our lives are planned, but how we react to them and how we proceed from there is up to each of us. 

With love
Irene

eggshellseas wrote on Jul 19^th, 2006 at 9:53pm:


I feel as though I'm repeating things over and over again already and I tend to go to places in everyday life and I think I've already been there before even when I hadn't before as far as our world's idea of time is concerned.

I certainly hope I don't have to re-live this life. If its the same outcome again then what is the point???