hi all, I'm following Ryan around the board..lol....just reread this entire dynamic thread and thanks for being so persistant Snoopy-doo!  my, you'd make a good teacher I'm sure if you ever go obe.
Dave, I tried that experiment for a moment and could see thru my eyelids with sunlight and shadow the tips of my fingers moving in front of me. was I supposed to swivel in my chair while doing this?   also I can remember laying down and seeing vague objects in my room thru my eyelids before. that was surreal experience. I'm going to experiment some more with this one.

I too distinguish like Spooky between obe, dream, lucid dream, remote viewing and the like. just using imagination and daydreaming can yield up some great mysteries into the mind.

sometimes you can get numbers. I don't know what to call the experience of picking up 4 lotto numbers out of the 6.  I had been "guessing" all the day long, writing it down, finally decided to nap on it. lazy method but nearly successful. I knew I didn't believe I could do it; is reason why I thought I'd try. woke from the nap seeing the numbers, had only 3 hours to go buy the ticket before they closed it down for the night. I saw the last 2 numbers were very vague and faded out, but the first four were correct, although they were not given in orderly sequence the way they are displayed on the TV.  I think the concentration for long periods is what induced the numbers to be displayed like on the screen of the mind. but also throughout the day it was like I talked to my guides arguing why I should lots of money...    interesting to study the belief systems while doing this and the way I went back and forth if I was doing the right thing. money seemed unspiritual to me then. I was out of a job at the time, so you can see why I experiment this way.

interestingly, theres a place of forgetfulness in the mind when u just awaken. you will have only a split second to hang unto what you are glimpsing before the mind awakes to physical reality. symbolically it can be said when I looked at the numbers in the hynogogic state (inbetween full waking and sleep) I at once went into high pitch excitement. the excitment caused me to jump up and write down the numbers which were true. I also had a belief I could not recall 6 numbers. I recall numbers in a sequence of threes and twos. when remembering a new phone number for instance, in C1 I have to first impress my mind of the first 3 digits by repeating it. then the other four numbers in twos...like 32  or 44, I will have to associate these numbers with other numbers in order to remember.  in the case of the lotto numbers I had absolutely no time to do my association trick...they were just all displayed as an image; get it quick, in other words for you are slowly coming back to reality. so you have to change your beliefs about your ability to do something or remember.

Snoopy do, I hope you go obe sometime, its the best experience. can't explain it, but Bruce's books are a guiding light to altered states of awareness. for the most part, I'm in agreement I have never been able to control an obe. I am in agreement with Betson, pul catapults me into areas where angel fear to tread, all the more reason I meditate on the effects of PUL.

hugs, alysia

lol Snoopydoo i agree with Alysia - top marks for being so persistent with this thread 

I can say right now out of body experience is real in my one wide awake conscious experience.  But now, you in a site of mature oobe people and they are the experts .. Bruce being the prime example.

Just a brief account of my experiences to-date and a summary of this phenomena;  In August i went right through the glass window of my lounge, like i say i was fully aware of going through the glass into my garden but i stopped there. 

In my working out of this phenomena; i reckon oobe is an extension of living in Earth, that is, it is done within the multi-dimension earth realms.  It is different travelling from when we go to sleep.  When we are fast asleep we are actually 'dead' (we die every night!) and here we travel to our rightful home.

Oobe is phenomenal and very very interesting in the development of mankind.

So, i had my above experience and often i catch myself awake in the middle of oobe before i slip out again of awakeness - but here i wouldn't call it true oobe its more like before falling asleep.

Last week i had a strange occurance in my second awake oobe.  I consciously left my body - wide awake and went to the door of my bedroom (that leads to a outside patio on roof) but the door was locked (which of course it is) but in oobe it was literally locked to me with the sense of 'no, you can't go out' not even through the glass (glass door) i turned to go through my bedroom door to go out through the front door but here, although my bedroom door was slightly ajar, it resisted me walking through it.  I was almost told to go back to bed .. which i did .. quite disappointed!

So, its a funny thing this which im hoping to concentrate further upon.  also, in my first awake oobe when i 'floated' through the glass above the trees in my garden i thought to myself 'ok where shall i go' and immediately i thought 'i want to go and see my mom, who lives on the east coast 800kms away' but i had the feeling someone said to me 'no, you can't do that' thats when i thought about my body and immediately flew down into a bush - out of the bush - back through the glass into my body.

(sorry rambling on Snoopydoo but grateful for the opportunity to relate this)

I do often see written words in my sleep - although here its not dead sleep - it is asleep and then awake.  My recent written words are;

i have been wondering who my friend is constantly sms'ing and in my awake dream state i clearly saw his phone in-box delivery reports .. lol it was no surprise it was a confirmation!

The other night i had this strange vision of a huge scar in my mouth - it was a long scar next to my teeth and i thought surely this is not in my mouth - it is a long scar.  Then i saw in writing THU 24th and the THU was plusating.  It was so strong in my mind thinking don't forget this date,  when i woke up in the morning this date was still in my mind.  Looking at a calendar the only time i could see a Thursday 24th is May 2007.  Very peculiar, im don't like date forecasts whatever they might be for and i hope to forget this date and if something happens it happens naturally.  But saying this thanks for the date!

Snoopydoo, sorry for writing about the mixture of my happenings under your investigation.  Im not sure if i am the right volunteer to do this.  Also, meeting other people awake in oobe is not really my fortiet (would be nice though) but somehow .. its not happening .. yet. 

The other members are highly experienced in this realm .. but its a thing that all things happen naturally and not when you want them to!

Keep well Snoopydoo and thanks for reading this essay 
Caryn

hi Cricket, wow, I like stories like this as it shows the practical side of obes where something is found. sure, it could be all the time subconsciously you knew where it was, but this is not an absolute knowing, so I suppose thats why we call it sub-knowledge. its below the conscious.

well, I can top that story, lol  but just barely.  I get too excited. I swear its not an ego trip!!   I bought an old farmhouse with a pellet stove; thats all I used to use for winter. it worked good enough. I remembered when I bought the house, on the paperwork something there about oil heat. when I went to the basement I could'nt find the oil furnace as it was hidden behind a wall where a crawl space was. I saw some clipped wires with a thermostat attached to them...I figured well, someone done took the oil furnace with them as here's these clipped wires.

then I had the obe. I was about ready to sell out. a friend of mine who I worked with was in the obe acting as guide. he brought me to the corner of the house where my oil furnace (brand spanking new one it was!) was hidden and I said oh, wow, does it work? is this mine?    we cranked it up and got it turning right there out in astral realm! I was intrigued and kept asking him are u sure it's good? yes its good he said, and now you don't have to lower your price on the house as you have something valuable to the new owners who don't want their kids using a pellet stove by themselves.

shortly after that I decided to go into a crawl space to check for wood rot and discovered the oil burner, all shiny and new. got some oil out there and cranked her up and the house was warm as toast. didn't stink either.

I love obes.  Hey Caryn I like your description too. next time your out and something says you can't go thru the wall, disagree with it. I tried this that you put your hand on the wall and at first it's solid and u think, can't go thru. what u have to do is push a little with your hand first and the wall gives way. its just like the show when you're dimension sliding on TV, its a little fluid feeling then you know you're really obe and that on the physical level you can't go thru, but here, the rules change! if you can get your hand thru, the rest of the body you are in follows.

you're so right about letting it be natural versus forcing experiences by maybe wanting them too hard...sets up a block that way to the way it can happen naturally. I never obe intentionally as not that masterful and don't think it's a good objective unless you intend to heal a sick friend or do a retrieval or something with a purpose other than just what a lark it is, and it is that! most freeing feeling. I think they will happen more for all of us as time goes on, and in more easy, natural way.

Hey Ryan,
Could be the answer to your question is the affirmative, brave explorer. I and perhaps some others bowed out when 'reading' was found to be painful if not imposible. One evening's try gave me a 2 day nauseous headache 
When my husband told me the word he'd written large and put on the top of some shelves, I immediately thought it seemed familiar and >if< I'd guessed, I would have come up with it. ? I could have got that much from him telepathically so nothing proven there. That's all I'm in for.--- Except once I spoke with a spiritually developed fellow who was saying symbols written here had to be about 12 ft and written flat out (Like on concrete or on a banner laid flat) in red 'so they could be seen', then he mumbled  'from above', I think. That opened up too many possibilities for me to deal with so I didn't mention it, but good old Snoopydoo is so persistent.  To me it meant that spiritual intelligences are not that close by but communicate with us from a distance and it is they who would do the 'reading'. We work in tandem with them up there, or that's the impression I got in that situation which was not about remote reading.
Has Snoopydo read any of the military's remote viewing books yet?
I'm happy he's had some insights into the spiritual since he came here but the responsibility for his question would seem to be his, not ours, since so many have tried so much for him so far. (Over a thousand readers so far and who knows how many have tried but without results worth reporting, like mine.)  I don't think we should have to hurt ourselves trying to do something that so many have said doesn't work, for whatever reason.  Stay safe, brave explorer!

bets

that sounds excellent idea Cricket and I'm all for it. long time ago a gal came here to tell us of the experiment similar to this she did with her partner. I think it was cards they used and they had some good success.

heres an interesting thing I read about. a person who works with the subconscious areas is a hypnotist. they did this experiment with a group of about a dozen folks. it explains how we can be aware of many perceptions that we filter out of the mind unless we are hypnotized to retrieve these insights or perceptions. another way of explaining this experiment is that whatever we believe is what tends to be true for us.

so they took one of the group and took her into another room. then they placed her into an altered state where the mind is more suggestive to what is told to it and told her that Cheri, the gal who was sitting next to her had left the group. but really, Cheri was still sitting there when they brought her back into the first room.
first they awakened her to C1. then before they brought her in the room they placed under Cheries feet a small object. but nobody but the hynotist knew the object was there as they had removed everyone from the gathering room first and placed it there.  very tricky huh?
then everyone filed back in and sat down in the same place as before.  when everyone was seated the teacher/guide/hypnotist said to look at Cheri and make a comment or greeting to Cheri. although Cheri was there in the flesh, the lady said Cheri was not there. then the guide said what is under Cheri's seat? even though Cheri's feet and legs hid the object from the physical eye completely from the lady's view, she said the chair was empty and described the object perfectly. you can't explain this type of perception by saying it was merely mental telepathy as only one person in the group was aware the object was there and that was the guide. I assume the guide was blocking from his mind and not sending her the signal the thing was there, because she thought the chair was empty and was using her physical eye to view the object to her own perception, so just how "real" is physical if a part of the mind can see right through physical objects like x-ray vision?

cool huh? well, it's interesting. we can know things. we can experiment.

love, alysia

Hi Ryan,

No, I've never been able to do it myself.

Maybe you can try with an object instead of a word if a word is too difficult for you?

Maybe  buy a Cracker jack box and empty the whole contents on top of your drawer, where you can't see the object in physical world and then go OBE and try to find and identify it?

Thanks for trying.

Snoopydoo

Heya

Alysia - i'll try that next time.  i noticed this time (when i couldn't go through the door) i didn't have the same awesome speed i had the first time.  This time i was calm and slow. Maybe that had something to do with it?

Just a quick note - i think i did make contact with someone early sunday am.  i was in oobe shadow form with a young male also in shadow form .. we were on a sports field and he rugby tackled me .. lol it was fun .. quick moment but fun .. then i went into this elobrate dream, was quite symbolic to me but i wont bore you with it because i can only relate to it really. lol.

Hi there Bets - long time no read! hope you are well