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Reply #15 - Jul 11^th, 2006 at 3:47pm

Hey,

I will plan something around this weekend and give it a go and see how it goes.

Just like to comment on that you don't believe OBE's are real, fair enough thats your view and regardless of whether the tests come out successfull or not there is something there. Those of us who have had hits in PE's, been OBE, phased know there is something there we can't dismiss.

Just like to re-tell a story of a hit I had. Me and Vicky have been working at meeting up in the non-physical to meet and get proof and see if this is all real, plus PE's are fun! Ages ago I made it out of body and set the intention mentally (out there) to meet Vicky. I got the sensations of travelling (always seem to be darkness but feeling of movement) and ended up in a hospital. This is wrong! i thought, wheres vicky? why am I in a hospital? I walked to the nearest room which was open and inside was sitting a male doctor behinde a desk. I didn't question who he was, (seem to have limited awareness out there untill more experienced) and I asked a bit rudely Wheres Vicky! He replied shes in Ward 34 near the theater centre. (I think the numbers wrong, was a long time ago). The rest of my OBE i tried to find Vicky with no luck.

I posted this up here on the forum and Vicky replied with some positive results! She works in a hospital, I didn't know this. Also she works in ward 34, and next to her ward area is the auditorium (theartre centre). To me this proves I made a connection out there, three hits is more than chance. Hospital could be a lucky guess, its a major job. 34, thats a bit narrow for guessing for me and the theartre centre, also like the first but still all three together, I was happy and to me It prooved there is something out there which is connecting us, and that we can explore it, even if were not entirerly sure what exactly it is and how to proove it.

I will let you know about the test if i make it out, i can't just when i want though so might have to wait a while!

Ryan

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Reply #16 - Jul 11^th, 2006 at 6:54pm

A couple of years ago I found myself OBE connecting with my sister. was amazed at the clarity of the city lights and what I could see of the hills as I zoomed around for a look.
when I awoke, i was surprised because it had been a wet rainy night and I didn;t believe that it had been an OBE, so I went outside.
to my amazment the weather was jsut as I had seen it in my "dream: so it convinced me that OBE's are real
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Reply #17 - Jul 11^th, 2006 at 9:32pm

dave_a_mbs wrote on Jul 7^th, 2006 at 5:04pm:

Actually, Snoop, I can suggest a trick that you yourself can learn - it's not OBE, but clairvoyance. I once convinced a large number of friends to do this one, and got better than 80% successes out of a dozen trials. I did an excellent workup, made the proper statistical calculations, demonstrated a statistical proof at the .05 alpha level and wrote it up to be published. I was informed that the topic was "too controversial". "Good heavens," I thought, "Scientific discoveries have to be reined in before we upset somebody with new facts! We have to maintain the notion of a flat earth, for fear those others will fall off." However, if you're willing, try this ... (Oh yes - the explanation is actually not OBE by simply a multidimensional awareness, nothing really exotic.) This requires a little skill, but can be learned in less than an hour, and will leave you with a skill for use elsewhere.

Get a swivel chair, or the equivalent. Sit in it quietly, eyes closed, and move your hands back and forth in front of you. Eventually you'll see their image though your closed eyelids. (IR light penetrates. No big deal.) Look into the space in which you see your hands and allow imagery to form. Now have a friend rotate you. Notice that the outside world rotates along with you. However, it rotates either in phase, like with eyes open, or out of phase, as if you and context were on meshing gear wheels. This is vaguely difficult, and can take several minutes to stabilize the images.

Now, place an open container in front of you, on a shelf, for example. Focus your attention on it. Now as you rotate physically in the swivel chair while you keep focussed on the object, it will seem to rotate as well, showing you a side otherwise hidden from view. Look upward, holding the image tightly, and the box will show you its bottom (often through the shelf). Look down and you can see into its interior.

All of this can be explained by very simple (multi-dimensionl) geometry. It's not a spiritual trick, nor is it anything spooky. If you are like most of my old friends, this is an ability that you already have and simply weren't using.

dave

Boy, would I love to be in the same room as you for just 5 minutes.

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Reply #18 - Jul 11^th, 2006 at 9:48pm

chilipepperflea wrote on Jul 11^th, 2006 at 3:47pm:

Hey,

I will plan something around this weekend and give it a go and see how it goes.

Just like to comment on that you don't believe OBE's are real, fair enough thats your view and regardless of whether the tests come out successfull or not there is something there. Those of us who have had hits in PE's, been OBE, phased know there is something there we can't dismiss.

Just like to re-tell a story of a hit I had. Me and Vicky have been working at meeting up in the non-physical to meet and get proof and see if this is all real, plus PE's are fun! Ages ago I made it out of body and set the intention mentally (out there) to meet Vicky. I got the sensations of travelling (always seem to be darkness but feeling of movement) and ended up in a hospital. This is wrong! i thought, wheres vicky? why am I in a hospital? I walked to the nearest room which was open and inside was sitting a male doctor behinde a desk. I didn't question who he was, (seem to have limited awareness out there untill more experienced) and I asked a bit rudely Wheres Vicky! He replied shes in Ward 34 near the theater centre. (I think the numbers wrong, was a long time ago). The rest of my OBE i tried to find Vicky with no luck.

I posted this up here on the forum and Vicky replied with some positive results! She works in a hospital, I didn't know this. Also she works in ward 34, and next to her ward area is the auditorium (theartre centre). To me this proves I made a connection out there, three hits is more than chance. Hospital could be a lucky guess, its a major job. 34, thats a bit narrow for guessing for me and the theartre centre, also like the first but still all three together, I was happy and to me It prooved there is something out there which is connecting us, and that we can explore it, even if were not entirerly sure what exactly it is and how to proove it.

I will let you know about the test if i make it out, i can't just when i want though so might have to wait a while!

Ryan

three correlations definitely leans heavily towards confirmation, the odds of that being chance would be far too astronomical. I look forward to your report on this weekend's experiment. This all seems so fascinating, though I feel like a "muggle" (I apologize for the Harry Potter reference! lol) amongst a bunch of wizards here.

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Snoopydoo New Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 33 Gatineau, Quebec, Canada Gender:	Re: OBE Fake or Real? Take the test please... Reply #19 - Jul 12^th, 2006 at 8:38am Ryan, Wow! Thanks for the great examples you got. That does not seem like a coincidence, like you said. Can't wait to hear from your results on the 2 tests. Thanks Marc
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Reply #20 - Jul 13^th, 2006 at 7:44am

Hi Snoopydoo,
of course I would do the test if I had OBEs which I can control. It's often said they come and go without knowing when and it's difficult to get yourself together then for a test. I recently read McMoneagles "Mind Trek" and he tried the OBE method for remote viewing. He didn't use it for remote viewing because it was too difficult for him to have one at will, but when it happened and he could control it then he had very good results, that's what he wrote. He prefers more the relaxation method, to get in an open state, concentrate on the target (unknown to him) and let it flow. I personally did that sort of thing, it's like mind journeys or the method Bruce Moen teaches, and some of my results were not explainable with random coincidences. However, there is much stuff coming in that I couldn't check, sort of information noise, and I don't know before checking it what is the hit-info.

Oh, and I too have very much difficulties with reading while dreaming or mind-journeying.

Spooky

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Reply #21 - Jul 13^th, 2006 at 9:23am

Hi Spooky2,

When you say you can't control the OBE, wouldn't that be a "dream"???

I certainly cannot control any of my dreams but as to what I've read on this board, when you OBE, you should be capable of going wherever you want (like people who decide they go to the "crystal", whatever the heck that is?), wouldn't you? In this case, then what would be the difference between an OBE and a dream?

Why do you think you can't control your OBE?

Can someone else confirm that they can control where they go and what they wish to do when they OBE?

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Reply #22 - Jul 13^th, 2006 at 10:11am

Hey,

Hope you don't mind me jumping in here Spooky as I was about to post, but I'm sure you were on about not controlling what you do and where you go in the OBE but actually having the OBE itself. Snoopydoo, they are hard to do, specially at first, you have to deeply relax while maintaining your conciousness so you are awake and able to slip out one your body is asleep. This takes some practice, to some it comes easier than others. I have had a few concious exits but most of mine have been spontaneous, I have either caught myself falling asleep or found myself out. I think Intention is the key - if you said to yourself you wanted to experience this, mix it with curiousity (try to imagine what its like being able to fly, to be able to go anywhere!) and also with emotion (excitment about going to experience this) and thats all you have to do. If you keep thinking about it (which is what your doing on here in a way) you might find yourself having a spontaneous OBE one day soon.

I was going to post about the test, I will set it up tonight and go for a word that I won't know that someone else will write in big letters on A4, and try over the weekend. The only concern I have is where to put it, I don't want to put it where i can see it oviously, but i fear it may be too dark to see during night onto of my wardrobe for example but will try anyway, ill keep my curtains open and hope for a full moon! I will keep this ongoing untill i get results positive or negative, but when i will get them I don't know, depends on whether I can get out but I will set the intention and see how it goes.

Ryan

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Reply #23 - Jul 13^th, 2006 at 7:47pm

Hi Snoopydoo,
I do distinguish mind-journeys, OBEs and dreams.
What I call mind journeys are journeys in a trance with different deepness. Usually, I'm aware of my physical body and my thinking is similar as in the physical awake state, only that I'm at times very fast thinking in pictures and emotions. You start with the environment that you perceive or imaginate one, as sparily as possible until things seem to happen on it's own. But it feels still similar like a daydream, you only have insights and feelings that are absolutely untypical for daydreams.
My OBEs (can only talk about the two short ones I had) felt very similar to the physical, much more than any dreams I had. Especially that I saw and felt my body just like the physical is very different from any dreams I had. And no contact to my physical body. Of course you can say an OBE is a dream that feels like the physical until someone passes your test. But again, it really was different. My OBEs were short, the first problem was to realize that I wasn't in the physical because it just felt so. The first time I wanted to wake up physically to make notes on it, the second time I realized that I was OBE when I woke up physically. So, that's the beginner's difficulties.

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Reply #24 - Jul 13^th, 2006 at 8:48pm

Here's one that's better than an OBE for you:

Why don't you PM board member Black Panther, who lives in Australia, and ask her how well I described the details her bedroom while wide awake and talking to her on the phone? I've never been to Australia, never mind her bedroom : - ) . Then you will have two people testifying about the same event, a standard of proof which may be enough for you, maybe not.

Instead of focusing on OBE's, I would look at shifts in the focus of consciousness, of which OBE's are, but that category includes more that that. Consciousness studies are VERY interesting. So is learning to do this stuff yourself, which is the only real proof you can have because otherwise you will always be taking someone else's word for it. If you can't OBE, then there are other things you can try. BTW, have you thought about going to The Monroe Institute?

I'll add something that may sound flaky to you, but is absolutely true: study and practice the power of Love. Love, esp. PUL, is the great enabler, the supreme catalyst for all sorts of things: OBE's, remote viewing, distance healing, to name a few.

Love,
Rob

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Reply #25 - Jul 14^th, 2006 at 8:04am

Hi guys,

Thanks for your feedback.

BTW, just wanted to say that this past night, I know I was able to read in my dream because I dreamt I was in a restaurant and I know for sure I was reading the menu. I'm sure people can read in their dreams even though it might not happen very often.

I remember in a few of my dreams where I was visiting California and was driving along and had to read some road signs, which I did, to guide me on my drive.

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Snoopydoo

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Snoopydoo New Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 33 Gatineau, Quebec, Canada Gender:	Re: OBE Fake or Real? Take the test please... Reply #26 - Jul 14^th, 2006 at 1:51pm Good luck to all of you who are going to try the 2 tests over the course of the weekend! Looking forward to reading about your experiences on Monday. Thanks Snoopydoo
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Snoopydoo New Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 33 Gatineau, Quebec, Canada Gender:	Re: OBE Fake or Real? Take the test please... Reply #27 - Jul 18^th, 2006 at 8:03am Hi to all, So, has anyone tried these 2 tests over the past weekend? Thanks Snoopydoo
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chilipepperflea Super Member Offline Red Hot Chili Pepper Fan! Posts: 594 England Gender:	Re: OBE Fake or Real? Take the test please... Reply #28 - Jul 19^th, 2006 at 3:31pm Hey, I fell busy and only tried one attempt with no success. I'm going to keep trying and see what happens! Ryan
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Vicky YaBB Administrator Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 2170 Colorado Gender:	Re: OBE Fake or Real? Take the test please... Reply #29 - Jul 19^th, 2006 at 11:38pm Hi. I just now read this thread. I can vouch for Ryan, as I'm the Vicky he was talking about. The number was 24, by the way, but yes it was all as he described. (I myself didn't even realize I worked in 24 until he said this, then I looked at the grid system at work and he was right).
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