Actually, Snoop, I can suggest a trick that you yourself can learn - it's not OBE, but clairvoyance. I once convinced a large number of friends to do this one, and got better than 80% successes out of a dozen trials. I did an excellent workup, made the proper statistical calculations, demonstrated a statistical proof at the .05 alpha level and wrote it up to be published. I was informed that the topic was "too controversial". "Good heavens," I thought, "Scientific discoveries have to be reined in before we upset somebody with new facts! We have to maintain the notion of a flat earth, for fear those others will fall off." However, if you're willing, try this ... (Oh yes - the explanation is actually not OBE by simply a multidimensional awareness, nothing really exotic.) This requires a little skill, but can be learned in less than an hour, and will leave you with a skill for use elsewhere.

Get a swivel chair, or the equivalent. Sit in it quietly, eyes closed, and move your hands back and forth in front of you. Eventually you'll see their image though your closed eyelids.  (IR light penetrates. No big deal.) Look into the space in which you see your hands and allow imagery to form. Now have a friend rotate you. Notice that the outside world rotates along with you. However, it rotates either in phase, like with eyes open, or out of phase, as if you and context were on meshing gear wheels. This is vaguely difficult, and can take several minutes to stabilize the images.

Now, place an open container in front of you, on a shelf, for example. Focus your attention on it. Now as you rotate physically in the swivel chair  while you keep focussed on the object, it will seem to rotate as well, showing you a side otherwise hidden from view. Look upward, holding the image tightly, and the box will show you its bottom (often through the shelf). Look down and you can see into its interior.

All of this can be explained by very simple (multi-dimensionl) geometry. It's not a spiritual trick, nor is it anything spooky. If you are like most of my old friends, this is an ability that you already have and simply weren't using.

dave

Thank you, Snoopy doo,
First I'm trying to think if I recall ever seeing anything as fine-lined as writing.  I don't think I have so far, just shapes. Even hair is like a broadly painted version of hair for me.
If we shortened the message to something printed larger and thick with a felt marker, we could not, IMHO, limit the topic to just a word like 'apple' or 'boo!'. It must still have importance for the soul or whatever layer it is that does this stuff. Ego isn't involved, and a sense of doing good is inherent in the process we have learned here.-- I guess we could believe that it would be good for your soul, Snoopydoo, to have proof, and that would develope the caring and concern part of this.
But if I do this and tell you it worked, will you believe me? 
(See how hard it is to prove to someone who's not into doing it themselves?)
bets

Hi to all,

Thanks for posting.

I understand what you say that you could do the test and lie (or not!) to me and say it worked and I might or might not believe you.

But my point is, I don't think this has ever been done. If YOU believe you are doing OBE, why don't you do this test and just prove to yourself that it actually did happen?

I think (and this is just my personal thinking here) that people who claim to OBE do NOT want to do this test because they might be disappointed to find out that it would never work, thus throwing a curve into their belief that they actually did an OBE.

Are you game to try it out and see if you really did an OBE?

Please let me know, it's more by curiosity than anything else. I'm curious to see if you are able to do it. If you go OBE and cannot go up on the furniture and read a message someone left there, what would your thinking be at that point?

It's not something to prove (or not!) to me but it's more that I'm curious as to whether you are able to attempt this and capable of achieving this. (I know I'm not able to do this so I cannot try this test myself, which is why I'm asking people who claim to be able to OBE to try this little test...).

Please let me know how everything worked out.

Thanks so much.

Snoopydoo

Hey,

I think a good idea for this would be a random word generator or something like that which no one will see, no one, untill you OBE and find the word. This would rule out ESP. I might try it one day soon but have got a couple of things i need to do first.

Ryan

Cricket wrote on Jul 10^th, 2006 at 2:17pm:



I never thought about "reading" in dreams, but as I read your post and thought about it, I cannot remember ever reading anything inside of a dream!  And I am a person with books always on the brain...my favorite activity.  Fascinating point, and I never thought about it before (not reading in dreams).  I wonder what the reasoning really is for that.

I see a lot of pushing here by Snoopydoo for testing. Why don't you do it yourself. You will never believe until you experience it yourself.

Blessings,
Mairlyn

Snoopydoo,
I tried it last night and this morning with the written word and got a bad headache so I'm not trying reading again. Maybe in a dy or so I'll try with an object.
bets