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Jul 3rd, 2006 at 1:32pm
 
In relation to what was written in a previous post regarding romantic relationships carrying on from physical realms into afterlife realms. I was wondering if it is also possible for an individual to develop a romantic relationship whilst in the afterlife realms with an individual met within these afterlife realms (i.e. not somebody that you met in the physical that carried over into the afterlife, but somebody that you actually met while in the afterlife.) In other words, when I make the transition into the afterlife, will it be possible to spark brand new romantic relationships in those various afterlife realms with brand new "people". -- Ethereal spirit matter to ethereal spirit matter. --

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Reply #1 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 2:38pm
 
I don't know, Cosmic, but if you're looking, I'd like to get in line! Wink
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Reply #2 - Jul 3rd, 2006 at 11:01pm
 
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Reply #3 - Jul 4th, 2006 at 1:07am
 
lol, you two.. Roll Eyes  hey guys, its not that different on the other side, I think desires and intentions and goals of all sorts, even romance are basically the same as here. time is different over there. things are speeded up and everything is already known by reading a person's field. basically, not to burst anyone's bubble, but the nature of romance is allusion and its much more fun to dream about what you think you can't have.

but the world will always welcome lovers as time goes by..(a song) so take two people looking for two people and dreaming about what they think is out of their reach..there you have the nature of how we play with each other and heal each other.
I hear sometimes folks stay togeher over there and sometimes they move on, just like here.
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Reply #4 - Jul 4th, 2006 at 5:32am
 
Hi Cosmic,
Romantic Relationships in the afterlife are very common on the other side.. They frequently form the base for a lot of cosmic family relationships.     It's because of them that most  people keep looking for thier soul mate.

When they create a powerful love bond on the other side, they will try to make a dive in earthliving together in order to work with each other.   They will keep looking for them.  Most of the time they find them right away.    

There  is a lot more to that.  Your on the right track.  Enjoy the romantic moment because it is a gift from god.

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Reply #5 - Jul 4th, 2006 at 6:44am
 
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Reply #6 - Jul 4th, 2006 at 11:57am
 
Thanks Chuckles and Bob! Great insights.

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Reply #7 - Jul 4th, 2006 at 12:32pm
 
I forgot to mention... I was also wondering something. I've heard from numerous people that upon death one usually (but, not always) feels no grief or remorse over leaving their physical body nor acquaintances/family behind, for they are so profoundly overjoyed/peaceful/all knowing/etc. at the time of their departure. (i.e. the love of the light is so powerful and indescribably captivating in the midst PUL ecstasy.) It got me wondering... Would the overriding effects of PUL change the dynamics of love in the afterlife... For instance, would it be like the love that we feel in this physical plane shared with our romantic counterparts, only multiplied by an unimaginable number minus the heart aches. Or would it be such a new form of evolved love (PUL) that the old form is kind of like an outdated computer tossed into the dusty attic only to be pulled out later for nostalgia sake. (Hence, a great reason for re-deployment into physical matter.)

Also, with regards to what Chuckles wrote:

"But the nature of romance is allusion and its much more fun to dream about what you think you can't have."

I was cosmic wondering about this statement... Is it possible that since it is much more fun to dream about what you think you can't have, that thereby by actually having what you dreamed about what you thought you couldn't have, that this interaction in fact negates the initial thrill of the seek? Kind of like anticipating the Christmas package under the tree, and then finding out that it didn't warrant the same thrill as the thrill of the anticipation.

Is there anyway to live in this thrill of dreamy anticipation for a prolonged period of, dare I say "time"... or would that in and of itself diminish the ripeness of the seek?

I guess what this is boiling down to is the following: Will it ever be possible to get bored in our ultimate reality, or is it so ever-evolving/always changing that it in fact is an impossibility to get bored with the entire picture of it all... including evolution?

I do get bored at times... but, it's the "thought/dream" of the unknown that keeps my boredom at bay... Will this thought/dream of the unknown ever become known and go away, thereby leading to boredom... or will the unknown always exist for probes of curiosity like myself? I know that once we make our transition into the afterlife (as others have reported), that we become all-knowing in a sense. So, would this all-knowingness take away the unknown, thereby making way for varying degrees of boredom, or am I just off my rocker?

(Someone rock me!)

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Reply #8 - Jul 4th, 2006 at 2:14pm
 
Boredom is the pits..thanks to people like you Cosmic, I find I can keep boredom at bay.. Cheesy  as a curious probe and even lovers are curious I probe the pits as well. theres always a reason for boredom too. even a reason for confusion..which I'm told is a very high state as it occurs before a great change.. sinking deep into a bored moment can become a comfortable character trait or even a habit. you could say, I am a bored person therefore anyone who is not bored with me is a poo poo head. then we need people. others come up and say, oh, you're not bored. you yourself I find boring. hmm. you think. I need to be loved. maybe I should change my bored and boring ways so I can hang with these others who are not bored and seem to find something worthwhile to keep their curiosity and well being levels higher than mine. maybe something good will rub off by the type of people who are honest to reflect with us. but I know you're talking about something slightly different. scuse the babblemania above.
u seem to be asking "how it will be on the other side to be all knowing and nothing to pursue as already been there, done that, and now what?"

heres some of Cozzolino's writing which helped me.

Now, imagine yourself in Balance in your Heart -- still in the center of your web. From here, you are able to fully understand and relate to all experience in the first three layers while remaining totally aware of the driving force and potential for experience in the remaining layers, from here the concept of layers has fallen away. You are able to imagine, express, and participate in your innate ability as a creator without becoming immersed in the Maya that is a part of self-expression. Both the creative drive of your mind and the full awareness of Mind are active. You are in Balance as always, but your attention and your paradigm are now in the center, and are free to explore the entire transpersonal realm. You have found the Heart. quoted from The Path.

somebody here said after death they wanted to sit in Elvis's lap. I had to agree, it sounded like a plan. Kiss
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Reply #9 - Jul 4th, 2006 at 2:50pm
 
It is the journey along the way that matters, not the final destination.  Or, as John Lennon said in his song to his son: "life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans."

I do not think we become all knowing when we pass over.  Of course, knowledge is a good thing.  And I would love to improve my abilities.  Sure, our consciousness can communicate in thought balls instead of in mere sentences.  Sure thought creates reality there immediately.  These properties are somewhat godlike when considered in the C1 terms of the physcial world.  But guess what?  DocM is still DocM there.  Virtues and vices intact. 

So, no I don't think that we get to our ultimate destination so quickly, and that means there are constantly new mountains to climb, new achievements and new vistas.  Boredom, is likely to occur here and there as a natural part of the human consciousness.  However, it is not meant to last long.  Brendan/Chumley used to say, on this board that he preferred cosmic oblivion/death rather than the boredom of playing a harp in heaven.  I found this to be colorful, but misguided.  I never thought of heaven as boring people sitting on clouds and playing harps till infinity. 

The notion that the peace and love on crossing over will allow us to abandon all thoughts and cares for our former loved ones is also, misguided.  It is almost an overwhelming sensation to find PUL.  And yes, for a brief time, we may be self indulgent when at peace and surrounded by love.  However, our memories are part of what we are, and when we settle down on the other side, we can not help but be concerned for our loved ones in C1.  How could beings trying to be more in tune with PUL, abandon their former friends and loved ones on earth?  Of course they couldn't.  Love creates a powerful bond between souls, that stretches from the highest realms of consciousness to the deepest areas of earth and even the hells people create.

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Reply #10 - Jul 4th, 2006 at 11:59pm
 
Thanks DocM and Chuckles! Both of you wrote some amazing things, again with some amazing insights.

Chuckles, there's no such thing as "babblemania"... You don't babble... you bubble; and lucky for me you have graciously sent your bubble my way. In turn, I popped it and gained access to the amazing thoughts that you have so sincerely placed inside! You are an amazing intellect and an ever-caring individual.

DocM wrote:

"Sure thought creates reality there immediately."

I have thought about this notion on numerous ocassions... I've been wondering how exactly a thought is finally decided upon as being the end result thought for creating something in the afterlife realms. For example, say I'm thinking of an ice cream cone, and I would really like to create one/have one appear in front of me. However, my mind slightly wanders a little bit, and I begin to think about elephants and ice cream cones together; and in the meantime there is a developing visual in front of me trying to emulate/create the thought pattern that I'm going through... I look at it, and it is trying to work out the concept of an ice cream cone and elephant simultaneously, for that is what I am thinking about, but I only intended to create the ice cream cone, but the elephant keeps passing through my mind as well. So, in front of me I'm seeing an ice cream cone with an elephant's head, and an elephants tail hanging off the end of the cone...

I guess I'm wondering at which point the image finally decides upon its end appearance based on the thoughts that are developing it. Does one finally just say, "Okay, think ice cream cone..." "C'mon man, think ice cream cone..." "Nothing else..." "Just pure clean ice cream cone..." "1... 2... 3..." "Ice cream cone... APPEAR!" And then the ice cream cone is there just as you imagined it to be in your mind's eye? I'm beginning to feel that there is a lot more control over one's thoughts and actions in the afterlife, then there is in say the physical realms... It would seem sort of chaotic and strange to me if it were the case that thoughts just appeared before you taking the form of that which you were thinking... I guess kind of like a dream is chaotic. The afterlife MUST have a better system developed for this that is far more suitable for the notions of thoughts creating visuals in front of oneself. I've had some strange thoughts before, that I could in no way imagine being brought forth into some sort of tangible substance. PUL must override strange obscure thoughts in the afterlife... If not...  we have now entered "The Twighlight Zone!"

All joking aside... my questions are sincere & honest.

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Reply #11 - Jul 5th, 2006 at 12:32am
 
I know you're sincere Cosmic. I commend you for that. you gave me a funny picture; I was seeing an elephant made out of ice cream and I wondered if you chose vanilla over chocolate. I just couldn't make him chocolate and it bothered me Roll Eyes and I licked it and sure enough, it was vanilla. tasted good.
what came up for me was something Bruce said in his books about doubts when exploring the afterlife. he said your doubts come true as well as your believing comes true, so one would cancel out the other if you were visioning two items like this. I suppose that means one could be like a self creator only by being undivided in our focus, yet it also says our doubts are creative material too. this explains dual nature of the world. mother used to say just take the good with the bad and shut up. she wasn't very intellectual but she had a point I guess Huh   
or do you mean to say that as hard as you try to picture something dancing elephants start going by? lol. you might try gently brushing them aside. theres a technique in meditation when you're trying to center your attention..all these thoughts come up of things that must be done, small itches, perhaps the doorbell or phone rings, all distractions..you notice all this and draw the inner eye back each time, but not with annoyance. what I would do is speak to each thought, take note of it and put it in a satchel to pick up later, that way I'm not resisting the thought of the pink elephant so its easier to become the observer who sees all but is not scattered as we can get in life situations, to spread ourselves too thinly in many directions.

I imagine it's all going to become natural to us to be creating on the other side as I think we've done it before this life and like riding a bicycle, it comes back.
thanks for saying I bubble. I guess thats pretty accurate. Smiley

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Reply #12 - Jul 5th, 2006 at 10:10am
 
Many who follow Seth or Elias talk of thought creating reality, and Seth, I believe, spoke of one prime reason for being incarnate was to learn to control your thoughts and creative power.  I am not sure of the authenticity of some of the Seth/Elias stuff, however the philosophy is a cogent one, so I take from it what makes sense.

I would not worry about wandering thoughts, because (now here is the kicker) you have wandering thoughts right here on earth.  And guess what?  They all don't enter into our reality.  Wish fulfillment is not common.  Ok, if not, why not?  Herein lies the answer, grasshopper.  If you delve into the power of your own mind, you will find that it is not our whims which translate into the real world, it is our deepest held thoughts, and our strongest beliefs.  The subconscious is shared with the universe.  In order to impress something onto it, and see it come to pass, here in the real world it needs to enter into our consciousness as a belief.  Thus, our deepest desires and dreams may come true if we believe in them, as well as our deepest fears, if we dwell on them long enough. 

Kathy, on this board has talked of "cross-purpose" thoughts.  We say "I want to get a promotion at work."  At the same time we think "I'm always passed over, and it just won't happen for me."  The first thought never impresses on the subconscious, as the second gives the opposite force.  This, can be seen by any who examine their deepest thoughts and motivations in the real world, or who meditate on making a positive change in their lives, usually right before going to sleep, when the subconscious is most impressionable.

I see no reason why our creative process would be different in the afterlife.  We may not be in a physical plane, however, our deepest thoughts and beliefs translate readily, whereas, I would imagine fleeting thoughts would not.  This is how people place themselves in "hells."  Voluntarily by like finding like (birds of a feather).  This is why Don's example of a serial rapist trying to "fool" his way into heaven can never work.  Or a homicide bomber.  The mindset of the rapist is such that his deepest beliefs of harm and disregard for others can not be put aside. 

Also, to get back to your initial question, I see no reason why we may not find attraction on a different plane.  How we define this attraction may be the same or different.  However, when we meet someone and it feels right, we just know it, and follow it. 

Is it possible that ascending in vibration and thought, we would not engage in sexual attraction, losing the dualistic nature of physical world which is all an illusion?  Possibly.  However, an intelligent advanced soul may still say "I understand my nature as one with everything, yet that etheric lady over there sure does have a great pair of legs!"  And so it goes on...

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Reply #13 - Jul 5th, 2006 at 3:30pm
 
this is interesting conversation. I should mention subconscious wishes will sometimes come true making u feel like you won the lottery. I used to wish for a farm. I wished for many years, but I always followed the wish with a thought that such a thing was not possible. then one day I was standing on the farm that would be mine, that I would secure a loan on it, and I possessed no assets nor even a job; just a large down payment and they took a chance on me. I've done this twice.

as for sexuality. it is possible to lose desire for that within the body itself. spiritual evolvment means control over hormone activity also.
there is a replacement for sex on the other side; it is a type of unconditional love merging thing. it takes place nearly involuntarily with those whom you are supposed to meet for the purpose of evolvement.  I might add it far outdistances anything in any sex manual or earth experience I've ever had.

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Reply #14 - Jul 6th, 2006 at 7:51pm
 
Again, I'm beside myself when I read your guys' replies! Such articulated/amazing thoughts! I feel like there is nowhere else in this world that I can go to gain such amazing responses to the questions that I have regarding these types of things. Now what was it that you guys charge per hour? I forgot... Was it $50 or $60 per hour? Wink

The amazing thing is that you guys work 7 days a week;  "FREE" of charge; and I get amazing brain growth/stimulation out of the deal! Couldn't get that from a 24 hour fitness center!

I'm impressed Chuckles! You have found a use for this amazing pictoral... Smiley

(Never'll get old!)

Hey DocM, it's a good feeling to know that I can still appreciate a nice pair of legs on the other side! You had me worried there for a second. Grin

I like how you wrote about the afterlife as being akin to our physical reality with regards to thought processes and the immediate affects of them on our immediate environment. For example, right now I can think about elephants and ice cream cones... but, my main focus and immediate action is typing what I am writing right now. So, it is a a rather functionable process. I didn't look at it like that... (And that's why you guys get paid the $BIG bucks$!)

Thanks Chuckles and DocM for your elaborated caring attention towards this thread... I was very curious! You guys have scatched my itch... "for now".

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