Not everyone is going to believe these things because of their 'world view' or programming' and you can't hold that against them because we in the physical state cannot see the whole picture like if you were an advanced spirit in the spirit realm.

Gut feelings are not acceptable yet as evidence or logic to most but I just get a good feeling about this website. I think the information is very thorough and genuine and the intent and committment in what he is putting forward can be felt through the emotion of the words. I doubt he'd go to all this trouble if he was not genuine and besides if he backs up what he says he could prove afterlife communication to Oprah Winfrey and if she saw it and was in no doubt what she saw was real then a big celebrity like her will influence people. No doubt about it.

Nicely phrased Indiglo .. theres a piece of graffti i saw once ..

Death is the highest of highs thats why it's left till last  

Earth is matter and matter matters all the time here - it is this matter that makes us grow strong; if we didn't have to matter we would be rather useless, i think.

more i think about it the more i do say that is Sir Arthur because it seems keeping with his character to do something like that.

Basically the way I understand it; Victor clearly states that he was raised Catholic but rejects the teachings of the church because they conflict his empirical afterlife research which does not match up with organised religious beliefs. Its closest match is to religion of spiritualism which provides evidence for the afterlife through direct experience and contact through psychics and mediums. Direct Voice Mediums, Materialisation Mediums have teamed up with empiricists and scientists in the past in an attempt to prove the existence of the afterlife. They say they have done it for themselves but when attempting to share the proof with the community at large, they face blockades from organised religion and mainstream science which by large disbelieves in the possibility of afterlife communication and therefore either looks to deny freedom of speech or tries to debunk everything through so called 'scepticism'.

Victor comes from the standpoint that his research is not done on behalf of any faith, it is empirical in nature.

For whatever reason, spirit gave me his name three times last night. I was also shown the word "hell."  Here's an interesting bit of information from his site, from FAQ.


Q4. You said there is no such thing as eternal hellfire - you're wrong. The Bible says there is.

Answer: You will find the English translation talking about 'eternal hellfire' but NOT the original Greek version. Deal with the original not the translations. For too many centuries Christians were deliberately misled about eternal damnation. Some devious Church writer deliberately and intentionally mistranslated a critical word- 'eon.' You will find that whenever 'eon' immediately preceded punishment in the Bible such as hell, this Church translator erroneously and knowingly mistranslated eon to mean 'eternal.' And elsewhere, whenever the same word eon was used, the translator used eon to mean what it truly means, 'a period of time' - in the time of Jesus it was 100 years. Check for yourself. This wilful mistranslation was a deliberate policy by the Church to create unnecessary fear - see a very detailed explanation of this and other deliberate Biblical mistranslations in Communication with the Spirit World of God by J Greber p.377.

On the other hand, a hundred years down here might feel like a few days to a spirit.  The key thing is that an eon is quite a different thing than all of eternity. Only an unloving an unwise God would sentence a soul to hell for all of eternity. I for one, can't think of God in such an unloving, blasphemous way.


Never say die wrote on Jul 14^th, 2006 at 12:12pm:

Never say die wrote on Jul 14^th, 2006 at 11:42am:


Never Say Die, I am all for free discourse, so do not worry about discussing various beliefs as this is an open forum.  I went through a long period of searching before I became more secure in my own faith.

I would suggest that it is not the religions of Christianity, etc. that have lost touch with true spiritual meanings, but rather many of their followers.  As in my post to Baby Duck on maintaining your faith, she was in a discussion with Catholics who obviously did not have an understanding of the basic Catechism of the Catholic Church. People too often confuse the individual follower with the essence of the faith itself, and people are not infallible and are prone to error. 

If I were to ever talk to Victor, and I am going to email him my responses to Arthur Findlay's questions which I have been working on (and am pretty content with my answers), I would also suggest that the Church also has evolved over the years and its members are still in a process of understanding faith.  The Church is not a static entity, and revelation is occurring all the time and past mistakes are always in the process of being corrected.  This is where I would differ with Victor...he may have been raised in the Catholic Church, but I would be curious as to what his understanding is of the Church and what he had been taught, etc. versus what I've come to discover and learn within the same faith (and bear in mind that I once walked away from the Church for much the same reasons as most people do in frustration with narrow minded individuals and others who did not live what they preached.)  I would also suggest to Victor to not ignore the wealth of empirical evidence that at least validates a genuine nature to the Catholic faith in the world of spiritual development.

From what I've seen on his site regarding "empirical" evidence, I have not seen anything major that heavily contradicts the Catholic faith.  There may be some points which have some different interpretations, but the overall gist seems to be pretty consistent.  Remember that the Catholic Catechism allows fully for members of all religions and faiths to go to heaven if they have led a Christ-like life and been true to their God (I.E. Lived a life of love).  Things such as life-reviews, continued development in the afterlife, coming into understanding of creation and God, etc. have their parrallels with the concepts of purgatory, a judgement (where your own actions judge yourself), and coming face to face (I.E. clarity of God) with God. 

The Catholic Church has experienced moments when its members have gone amiss, but it has evolved to the point where it is a major force for non-violence, peace, and justice in the world today.  Catholic charities are one of the purest charity organizations around in terms of aid dollars going to what they were intended to go for.  This reflects a spirit of love that is inside a good majority of its members, and as most here would agree, a person of love DOES go upward in spiritual development.  It is also a faith that experiences a swarm of validations in miracles, Marian apparitions, and much more that is within the mystical realm.  As mentioned before, I would suggest to Victor (as a man who rests largley on empirical evidence) that the Catholic world also has a host of "empirical evidence" that would validate it as a good path for a person to come to fullness in their life development.