I've always been confused by Monroe's explanation of "establish the vibration waves".  In flipping through my copy, I found it on page 212.  I don't know if it's mentioned elsewhere.  Does anyone else understand his concept of the converging lines, bend the point of intersection 90 degrees, etc. 

I would love to be able to understand his meaning here, and would like to know if this conceptualization has worked for anyone else. 

Heck I don't even know what he's talking about!  My brain hurts when I try to picture all that geometry or whatever it is.  I've had many OBE's, my list is growing longer I'm proud to say.  Have had several different types.  But to induce them the way Monroe explains...I'm lost.

Hey,

Whenever i attempt to OBE i always feel a slight vibration (or maybe thats uncoconcious suggestion) but have only felt the vibrations once in my exploration so far that i know for sure. It was a lot more full on than anything i had ever read in my life! there was shaking which at the end turned into a blur, as it was shaken so much. I felt the electicity tingling thing also which feels like when your a kid and you burst with excitment and you tense up and feel like you can't hold it in (if that makes sense), thats what this is like but like your about to burst open! then the hissing came and was so loud i thought i was going to be deaf afterwards! And then gone just like that and i was out. It is weird, from what you read and what i've wrote it seems scary and not that nice, but in a weird way it is, if you just go with it and use all your focus of concentration understanding it? feeling it? instead of fear and it becomes comfatable and you feel at ease and then your out, once you have them vibrations so far i understand they will be over after about 20-30 seconds.

I've just begun my search through the book for the countdown method, i'll let you guys know my results but can't think anywhere else i would have read it as that was the only thing i'm sure i was reading at the time.

And i will have to read through his vibration theory again but what i took away the first time is this. laying down to relax, once relax feel your focus of concentration go out to a imaginary spot in front of you about a foot away. So imagine something was hanging a foot away and just up a bit from your face and you concentrate on it/that area, just like that. then once you have got that focus spot in front, comfatable and its easy to keep with it move it further away to three feet, get comfatable, then 6-9 feet. Build a strong link with this spot, focus on it, forget about your body, imagine your where the spot is. Then the moving of the spot...

as far as i understand (and without re-reading) is imagine you are looking at a person lying down side on. now imagine a spot a foot away from their face going down the body, so should be on the chest area, now move in 6-9 foot up in the air directly in line with the body, this is where i believe that focused energy spot should be at first. should be like a diagonal going from the spot down to the head. then you move the spot to the exact same position but behind the head and this is area where you will find the vibrations and be able to induce them. So the first position 6-9 feet in the air had a diagonal line going from it downwards to the front of the face/chin and also it is position above the chest area. The next spot when moved has a diagonal line going from it to the back of the head. The positions would match exactly if you put a mirror down the middle of the head and matched the spots, it is symetric.

I think thats it, hope that helps but will check because probly wrong with that.

Ryan

don't have Monroe's books anymore. would like to re-read these descriptions now I might understand better..definetely not a person who understands degrees and angles and geometry but would like to. I believe I read a Mr Peterson's obe instruction book and he said try to imagine yourself in your kitchen each night. soon enough if you concentrate on seeing yourself in your kitchen it produces the actual experience obe.

another thing someone said in a book to go to bed thirsty. then you obe to the kitchen to get a drink. never liked that one, so didn't try it.   have to admit I understand the logic though, as when a little kid I obed to the bathroom because I'd promised myself I would not wet the bed anymore. I never wet the bed after that but in the obe after I woke up still feeling proud of myself, I noticed my body had wet the bed    I was one confused little kid.
I understand the astral is a mirror of the physical, its like a holographic concept with the mirror idea. also once you are out, and you know you are out, you may see astral counterparts of objects from another time zone; or you might see the bedroom furniture occuping the opposite position that you know is not correct. its like being inside of the mirror, like stepping into a mirror. and fear thoughts make you live through those fear thoughts as if it is real. so keep your cool whatever happens. hugs, alysia

When you are looking for answers, do you ever cross-reference to another thinker? for ex; Carl Sagan's interest in pi 3.14.... as a building block for earth's realities? So if 30 degrees is not quite right , could you adjust it to 31.4... and come up with something?
Is man not the measure of all things?
Also since pi is in its major reference dealing with a circumference, could the focus of the eyes at that degree be upon the inner shell of the energy field said to encapsulate each person, a >>circumference<< around man? Would focusing on that shell (even unknowingly) activate it, (as does the inner eye focus upon inner parts for heating/activating them for inner healing (as per Caroline Myss?) 
If activating that shell caused a rotation counter to the prevailing energy field, could you then be creating an etheric (or finer) version of centrifugal force that counteracts gravity, (as in a metalsmith's casting machine) and with gravity counteracted, the etheric body lifts and moves away, commandeered by mind. ?
Haha, one picture's worth a thousand words, spooky, so you started this.  Too bad my words have no credentials. I do know a very little about the centrifugal force's use in casting metal; there is a vacuum at some point before the centripedal forces counteract it. I would assume the vacuum part is the non-gravity part that I'm trying to describe as neccessary for the essence of the human to rise. That's pretty much physics. the part about the outer shell of an energy field being the circumfrence found at the the proper focus point, that's pretty much belief.
bets

Betsons idea of focusing on the energy shell makes me remember a report of a TMI grad, he wrote after he imagined the REBal (Energy Balloon around the body) he saw visuals/movies on the inside of this shell/REBal as if they were projected on it.

Well Betson, you think you could distinguish whether that angle would be 30deg or 31.415926...deg? Nonono, you can't. It's funny, Pi is only Pi in euclidic geometry but not in non-euclidic geometry which we live in if we believe Einstein (though only bent a bit from gravity). Well, I don't know at all if gravity and accelerations are "valid" in the etheric/astral...worlds.

I'm too for experimenting with this focus point things, as well as with the REBal, or Bruces energy gathering technique etc...

Spooky

Great diagram Spooky.

It's been awhile since I've read his book, and I don't own it, so I don't have anything to refer back to. But, maybe these angles/degrees of inflection are somehow based upon the meridian lines that pass through the various chakras within the physical body. I have also felt these "vibrational waves" on multiple occasions during meditation. All of my chakras seem activated when the vibrations start, causing my entire body to vibrate/convulse; become super-heated. I sweat uncontrollably, my heart feels like it's going to pound out of my chest/explode, and generally my eyes roll around under immense pressure. At this point, (if I don't freak out), I usually begin feeling the separation. Like a soft bedsheet flowing underneath my skin. Very soothing, comforting, and rejuvinating.

Also, with regards to gravity and the speed of light... I have read numerous articles convincingly articulating the notion whereby gravity is actually a "push" not a "pull". These notions are mathematically and theoretically sound. If anyone would like to view some of these articles just type into google the following: "Gravity a push not a pull". You should find some interesting debates/discussions there. Also, I had a close relative of mine whom had a NDE and reported the findings that it is possible to actually travel faster than the speed of light squared. Exponentially faster nonetheless. This was communicated to him during his mystical/life altering outage.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

I agree, Dear Eternal,

The swaying / pulsing is how I get out too. Wish I had the champagne bubbles as well---sounds delightful!     (Can't find a smilie for champagne, so think of these eyes as the bubbles.)

Various people here have various ways of exiting and that topic comes around everyonce in awhile. It also turns out that some people exit from the crown, some through the third eye, and some as a full-body lift off. Which method do you use?
It may have to do with which body has your most conscious attention, but then when out, that can change. I sense a long flowing motion for the first part of my trip, but if I'm going far, I turn into a point, that decision being made beyond what my conscious mind can keep up with.

That variety of exiting methods seems to show there are a wide range of potential experiences possible while OB?

Bets