Welcome to the forum rNick.  I have wondered the same thing about cloned humans. At first I thought no. Then I thought 'why not.' It seems to me that a soul could just as well enter a cloned baby as a real human baby. Since we are more than our physical body...............!

It sounds like you have a lot of good reading to do. Enjoy.   And I'll be waiting to read of your experiences.

Love, Mairlyn

Betson...are you sure the little girl wasn't Louise Brown, the first (publicly acknowledged anyway) test tube baby?  She was born in the late seventies/early eighties, if I recall. The time frame and country would be right.  As far as I know they haven't cloned any humans (at least acknowledged) yet.

I don't see any problem with souls...cloned humans would go through gestation just like any other, and the soul could slip in just like any other.  Since a clone would be an exact genetic replica of it's "parent", it would be less of a "you buys your ticket and you takes your chances" deal for the soul than a regular birth...

You can answer that question by thinking about identical twins today.  Do identical twins have seperate souls?  Of course.  They have seperate experiences, moral choices, events.... the same would be true about cloning (although for many reasons cloning would not work well even if we could pull it off).

Even if two creatures have the same genetic makeup they are not the same being, and if you are assuming that human beings have souls, then it makes sense to say that the original human and the cloned human would have seperate souls.

Hi rNick, im also from SA - nice to have a fellow countryperson aboard 

Will cloned humans have souls : i say Never; unless it is the will of God and from God.
But the world has its population why create a false population?

i say Woe be the day that cloned humans have souls.  Just the attempt of making a human in a lab suggests motives that are not part of the Cosmic plan.

This happened in Atlantis, cloned 'robot's were made and they became the slaves of Atlantis - this was one of the causes of the destruction of Atlantis - these 'robot slaves' began to take over.  (that movie irobot i reckon is a flashback of this; a movie yes but i do have literature on this subject)

The extreme danger is; these creations may be overtaken by forces that are not from God.
A serious serious mistake to allow this to happen. We could see the scenario of Atlantis play out again if this is allowed to happen.  Oh no! this cannot happen to our blue planet these creations will not have the Vital Force, the etheric body, the astral body, a Ego and they will not have a Soul of wisdom and love.

It must not happen.

I also share the meaning that it is not to humans to create life by scientific manipulation or cloning, it's already bad enough people think to have the right of taking lives.

But, technically seen, a body is just a mechanical machine. It contains tubing, pumps, a computer, a sophisticated generator for energy and a high-tech waste system. Even if everything in the mechanical body is in working order, it can not function without a spirit.

If a person doesn't get air for a certain time, the body dies. If you look at the died body, technically everything should work or be able to work. But it won't if you make the heart pump a few times and add some air; the spirit has left.

Before you can answer the question, one should ask when the spirit enters the body of the premature baby. Does it enter as soon as the egg and the seed is combined, does it enter when it looks like a baby or with birth. And why does it enter?

Cloning means that you make an embryo with old cells, not with an egg and sperm, but with cells with altered DNA to make them think they are a furtilized egg. If the spirit enters it after it has formed a technically working body, why would that be a big mistake for that spirit?
It could be a very valuable lesson to learn?

That doesn't mean that I would approve it, but I think it would contain a spirit.

Cloned Humans are bound to be made....since the technology is present...I am not going to discuss the ethics around this topic. However, the human body is a shell in which a soul lies... I don't understand why cloned persons wouldn't have a soul since they are perfect in their human functions. And if God didn't intent for them to be created then I am sure he wouldn't have made us capable of first making then and secondly of having the free will to decide whether to actually use them or not. As for Atlantis, I would be highly sceptical of any literature that proves anything. Being written in a book doesn't suddenly means that it is true.

i got your point Spooky - did you get my point?

Can anyone make a seed, such as an acorn, and have it grow into an oak? Or make a protein containing 50,000 atoms such as are produced in the living human body, or hormones in apea-sized structure, as the pituitary gland and have these hormones regulate life process.  The atheist sciencist thinks he can because he thinks the process of creation is simple and says 'the atoms came together by themselves, for in such a way did man come into existence: out of the primeval BOOM, the primeval mists condensed into vapours, then to water, then to solid earth, and somehow along the way, a simple amino acid was formed, then a cell, a living cell! And this cell's progeny finally developed into man'.  Now, where did i miss the point as to how the amino acid became living? Or how was life added to the cell? And who formed the primeval mists and BOOM? Did the primeval mists form themselves? Hardly

Scientists say 'mutations are the very source of genetic variability, and so they are ultimately responsible for the evolution of all present forms of life'  the idea persists that if a chemist is able to produce an amino acid or any other substance, that life is created thereby. They miss a point;  In order to have life, etheric formative forces must interpenetrate the material, organising it, forming it and sustaining it.  Since scientists know nothing about such forces, it is inconceivable that they will be able to intelligently create such forces to interpenetrate their chemical creations in the right way.  That does not mean, however, that certain entities cannot enter and make use of what man brings about on earth.

And Spooky to clarify my point - unless it is from God.  God is the creator of everything (we may call God various names; the univeral one, the cosmic breathe, the divine spark, the collective consciousness although ultimately it is our creator) it is up to us to accept or reject our creator.
It is our free will (for we are not slaves) it is the entities that reject the creator that will manipulate and use these clones.

if one is unclear about what a 'soul' is - it is the seed of creation called 'me' part of the collective consciousness - individual and whole.  Our soul is the seed wrapped in our spirit to protect it.

Antwhs i take your point on Atlantis; so this statement of mine may be taken at face value unless one is interested in investigating the history of Atlantis further one will find corresponding points.
In the same theme just because technology exists does that mean clones do too?

Scientists should be working on the cure for the common cold, let alone aids or cancer, instead of trying to play God.  Some scientists are seeing the light though and once science and spirituality are joined in the working towards the common goal of unity of mankind and the understanding our creation than great strides in afterlife discovery will be made.  


Ps:  Spooky please dont think im fighting with you - im not you posted a very good post and it is good to debate everything. im just emphasising my point on what i think is a serious subject.