hi all. I admit I didn't read Rog or Don's comments. spirit won't let me read certain people as they bring me down and I have to keep my energy at the highest level I can not only for my own benefit but for my children and for all people around me.

be that as it may, I read most people and find much kindness, much sharing, much open mindedness and honest questions here. thats why I read Bob Mc. I know the real thing when I see it. sure, it all boils down to opinion and thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it. how I come to my opinion is I meet people out there; I have nothing to prove. I could die right now and be estatic about it. I'm through with this world and can leave anytime because I burned off all karma. I don't want to leave my friends though and Bob is one of my very best friends I have been lucky enough to find after having met him out there and retaining the full memory of those meetings. anybody wants to feel jealousy about that, go ahead, but I'm only here to inspire you to do these journeys yourself and break through your nonbelief so I would hope you could find not skepticism here, but inspiration to evolve yourself. and I'm sure Bob's reasons for posting here are the same as mine; not to cause jealousy but to inform and share.
by reading Bob, I don't have to read the posts which caused Bob to say what he did. my imagination is sufficient. I am saddened, as if Bob leaves after he just came back, then that makes me want to leave too.  I wanted to see a change for this board. I've poured my heart out here for years and noticed a pattern. we'd see some honest sharing, then we'd a period of struggle and strife, some name calling, some ego, well, a lot of ego. we don't have to do this you know. we don't have to post here; we can just let the skeptics have their wars; but whats the point? if we can't share something valuable, a experience which meant a lot to us, and feel safe to do that, to give a piece of ourselves away to humanity, if we can't express ourselves freely in positive manner, I wouldn't blame Bob for going off to do his many fascinating projects he does, and believe me, like I said, if you get a chunk of Bob, you have something to write a book about or at least get your appetite wetted for further exploration. and I agree with him..if you can't say something good why bother?  people have better things to do than spar with you on this board in support of your own beliefs by trying to tear down another's beliefs.
anybody who hasn't posted yet, who enjoyed reading Bob, please let him/us know if you did so we can keep him here, or at least have him once in a while show up. Bob is not the kind of guy to waste the precious moments of life being made to look foolish.  'nuff said. love you Bob.

Animals don't eat other animals in the afterlife. Here on earth is the only place this happens. The animals all live peacefully together on the other side. Humans should learn from them.

Namaste
Mairlyn

thanks for responding Mair. I learned a long time ago if you don't tell people you appreciate them, then they just don't know. every voice counts. we effect each other  in countless ways. I just don't get it sometimes; why people don't treat each other right. I guess I might have this type of tunnel vision, but I guess our experiences is what makes us different and can lead to arguments and no kindness being shown. maybe humans are born to be ungenerous. I hope not. I better get some sleep, I'm starting to think crazy. love, alysia

About 8 years ago I picked up one of Robert Monroe's books at a book store and began reading certain sections because the topic interested me.  I read a passage in the book (I don't even remember which one) that made me completely skeptical.  I said to myself, "That just can't be true!  I don't believe it...trash!".  I put the book down and walked out of the store.

Five years later I came across Monroe's "Ultimate Journey" in a library and began reading it.  It astounded me!  I couldn't put it down.  I resonated so powerfully with it.  It felt as though he was speaking in a language that spoke directly to my soul.  I knew I had some of the same experiences as Robert Monroe but couldn't quite recall them.  I've read and re-read it several times now.  As well as Far Journeys and Journeys Out of the Body.  And as I progress I get more and more out of them.

So what had changed during those 3 years? To be honest, I'm not really sure.  But there was a profound change and looking back I can only wonder, "Why couldn't I see it back when I picked up the book in the store?  How could I have been so blind?"  And to really heap it on, "why did it take me 30 years of searching for the truth about the afterlife to finally find this information that seems so obviously true to me now?"

One of life's great lessons is to learn how much you don't know and to be patient with your own learning process.  And don't say things that you're going to beat yourself up about in the future.  I've learned that one the hard way.

Rick

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I know what u mean Mair. when I die I'll be at the computer; my fingers stuck to it in rigor mortis. you're right, people are not born ungenerous to others..its a learned thing. I too want to find the good in people..I need to find it, I need to believe in it, its my mission. thanks for being one of the people who was kind to me as I floated by and attached myself emotionally to this forum. its people like you the reason I wanted to call it home. hugs, alysia

I'm probably getting off topic..but something good happened today. I found a guy who believes in aliens and I actually got my fingers off the keyboard long enough to have a good conversation with a physical person. most of my relating is done here when it concerns afterlife exploration or whatever..lol..the things that matter to me. as we talked I noted facial expressions send messages, tone of voice was nice to hear and get messages from, body language says tons..what else to see if a person is honest, tells their story truthfully? its like you know when they are being helpful and when they don't care to be assisting you except for whats in it for them. well this guy had that honesty vibe. my point is, relating on a forum, its probably the idea of being able to express yourself here, writing it down, it really helps you set your priorities straight to feel ok with whatever we wonder about and the experiences we have that we can't talk about in general with the man in the street. I've grown so much here..its incredible. nobody knows and there are no words for my gratitude. but the answers you get back...there not always going to be positive. thats life. Bob said something about if someone is hurting, it comes out in your post. if we only know the hurting part of life, thats what we dish out to others. but still, if you love others and show it, people love you back. what u give u get back. maybe not the person you wish would respect you does. but eventually, you will get back what you put out. its a spiritual principle and it works. its so simple, I don't even talk about it much. you just assume everybody knows something so simple, but I guess I should not expect the growth I was expecting here to see as its just my personal experience and not anyone elses..I will just allow life to be as it is. tell your story guys, just be as truthful as you can and don't sweat the small stuff.

hugs, alysia

Welcome back Jean. I know I've already welcomed you back in one of the book club threads but I wanted to do it again. It's so good to see you here once more.

Love, Mairlyn

Hi all,
the life review indeed is a strong reason why those people are not getting easily to heaven. The life review in a NDE is often reported to be very insightful, including the effects of the own deeds on other people, thoughts and feelings of the others are perceived.

But possibly, it isn't to everybody the same lucid and reflective experience necessarily. I once had a retrieval and I got the info that the retrievee hadn't seen her life review yet. It felt like a waiting place. Also I had retrievals where I hadn't got this info in specific, but where it was unthinkable that the retrievees had a life review, they just weren't in the shape for this.
If one holds it for possible that people go to "their" belief system, one has to deal also with the possibility of "heaven" for persons considered as bad.

But, this heavens in the end are not heavenly. A person who hasn't shown a bit of sympathy, compassion for others, to what "heaven" could this one go? Only to those that this person is capable of, what this person was able to wish and imagine. So whatever system or picture this uncompassionate person had of heaven, this person for sure wouldn't find compassion there. The picture this person had may come true, but it will turn out as robotic and hollow soon enough.

I recommend reading in Bruce books the chapter of the "Fires Of Hell" (and maybe around this chapter, if you've read it you will find it again). There Bruce is talking about those hardcore people who have resisted all attempts to lift them up, to make a stronger connection to their disc and instead follow their desastrous passions in the Belief System Territories. They had to turn around before going to what we would call heavenly, and the harder they are, the harder would be the cleansing. Some make it and become "Fires Of Hell", their love energy is radiating such intense. They're prodigal sons who have come back as new shiny persons.

Spooky