theres nothing heavier in this world to carry than a grudge..

and I'm glad u joined us Cosmic. I think you add a lot. we have had our ups and downs here, but for what the site offers, on a topic seldom spoken of in the mainstream, I've never found a better place on the internet that I could feel at home.
hugs, alysia

mediastreamer wrote on Jun 26^th, 2006 at 10:19pm:


In the rules of the bible is the answer. Don't do things to others you wouldn't like to undergo yourself.

Quote:


Foregiveness is equal to love, you can't forgive without love and love forgives.
That is a very clear and beautifull dream which should be in the newspapers all over the world!!

Hi all and hey Daan - i really like your posts especially the metaphor of being Dutch (Spirit) in Holland (Soul) that is lovely! and your post on scientists which i'd like to read again - going to look for it again after this 

Alysia what a great idea, our own newspaper - brilliant!

i have stopped reading newspapers for about a year now and my life is so much calmer without the hype they carry.  As you say; the front page is always doom and gloom shoved in our faces, we cannot deny this is going on sure but does it need to be front page first thing we see every morning - man rapes a corpse - for example here yesterday front page news great way for a nation to start its day, stuck all over the lamp posts as well - what do our children think?

Front page and content should be uplifting, inspiring and motivational stories - stories of people doing good things because there are but somehow they dont make the news.  Society is in the hands of people up to no good i say.

There are not great people in this world, only great challenges which ordinary people rise to meet 

Rick, it may take Bob a few days to respond to you but I received word that he was going to start posting here again due to the board has been cleaned up of some previous negative influences which he did not want to participate in understandably and so I'm thrilled if Bob comes more regularly!!!

He has a lot to say. someday he may publish a book and I would be the first to read it avidly. so i just wanted to say I know how busy he is and if we get a post from him it's totally a gift, lol, like from heaven!  bless you Bob for what you've already posted and for the way you generate our curiosity!

with love, alysia

Ditto Mediastreamer. I'm not a publisher; but I did chase him down. I always chase Bob! hugs, alysia

[Bob:] " I think  the guilt trips, feelings of remorse for  they did is the real crime, and not the crime it’s self.  From this experience I  learned that  guilt trips are a super no,no."
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Roger replies:

"Bob-

Well, if the above is true, the terrorists shouldn't have a thing to worry about.  When they drive a plane into a building, killing thousands of innocent victims, they are convinced they are carrying out the will of Allah.  They fully expect a life in paradise, being rewarded withKind  72 virgins.  The last thing they feel is guilt.  

Whereas a person who accidentally kills someone but who is wracked with needless guilt, ends up in a miserable environment when they die.

Kind of ironic if in fact it's our perception of what we do as opposed to the reality of what we do that determines the condition of our afterlife."
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Roger,

Succinct but astute critique!  Clearly, Bob's interpretive overlay has affected his perception of what he saw and experienced.  I think the moral of this matake is this: the principle of like attracts like governs the afterlife.  But the sense in which one's state is self-chosen remains unclear and needs clarification.  Could a sadistic rapist who expiriences no guilt manipulate the "system" to ascend to Focus 27?  Could he then put on a goody-twoshoes act to rest up for his next reincarnation and then continue his sadist rampage with virtual astral impunity?  I think not.  

AUnderstandably Bob initially seeks to determine whether his astral body is independent of his physical body.   I have done the same during my own bogus OBEs.  I would lie over my supposed physical body and see if my "physical" fingers would move when I moved my astral fingers.  They did not.  But in my case, this was no indication that my OBE was real, though it was very vivid.  Despite my disagreement with Bob's "spiin" on his experience, I'm glad that he posted this and am unwilling to dismiss his experience as bogus.   In that respect, I can only speak for myself and none of my OBEs are more than lucid dreams.  

But even here, I maychange my mind about my ability to contact discarnate spirits my dream encounter with a supposedly deceased friend RJ proves correct.  My encounter with RJ was sooo real and I now have what seems to be his phone number (same name, same town).  But after repeated calling for weeks, no one has yet answered!  i will continue trying.  Meanwhile, Bob, keep posting your experiences.  Despite my skepticism, I try to engage all such reports with "a beginner's mind."

Don  

Rob,

I'm afraid you are being petty in the face of honest questioning.  Neither Rgger nor I claimed that your experience was bogus--only that my closest parallel OBE dreams are bogus.   Also, any claims about the mechanics that draw souls to a given plane must be srutinized for logical coherence and consistency with the claims of other OBE adepts.  Otherwise, this site would get locked into a series of solipsistic and incoherent views of afterlife principles.  I read and repacted to your thread only because I was personally invited to do so.

Your hostility blinds you to my encouragement that you continue to post such experiences and to my concession that I might change my mind.  Also, you ludicrously assume that I have had no astounding afterlife experiences.  I'd wager I've had better verifications than you have--just not verifications through OBEs.  Actually, you penchant for making such assumptions raises the question of how prone you are to impose your preconceptions on your supposed astral experiences.   I try to avoid  this by being ruthelessly honest about my capacity to victimized by my own wishful thinking.  I'm told by some posters that my self-crticism is the reason why my contacts with the dead interest them more than other such experiences posted on this site.  Anyway, chill out.  It is you who made this thread unfriendly, not Roger and I.

Berserk