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VISIT TO HELL :-)
Jun 22^nd, 2006 at 8:55pm

I posted this experience on Linns forum a couple of years ago.
Alysia asked me to dig it up and share with all of the good folks that live here.

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Last night, I needed some more material for my book and a video that I am working on. “Astral Projection for Beginners”. As I shut down, will either use one of the basic AP or Monroe techniques with hemi-sync depending on what I need to do. Bob Monroe gave a us a great gift called the REBAL. Resonant energy balloon. I use it sometimes.

As I was crashing, found myself starting to leave via AP rather then the deeper transition to a higher plane via hemi-sync. O.K. . AP it is. As I woke up in the astral body, tested it by moving my left arm and holding it in my face. The physical left arm was still in place. OK. I am in Astral mode for sure. Floated out and waited. A small black cloud of negative energy came at me. Called up the instant REBAL. ( Thanks Bob ) The cloud splattered off of it. My Japanese guide Sato appeared. He shares my sense of humor and thirst for adventure.

He asked me where I would like to go this time. Told him that I have been to the various heavens many times. Lets give hell a try. It turns out that negative ball of energy was drawn to it and wanted to go too.

We floated through blackness for awhile and found an area surrounded by wavy liquid metal. Slid through it. Was suddenly in an extremely large room. My guide asked me if a prison would be adequate place to start. I said yes. The room was a prison reception area. Didn’t like the feel of it. Had the Rebal handy, ready to use on a moments notice and got the very strong impression to not to let any of the emotional energies get to me.

Knew they could turn into a trap. Suddenly I was in line with the other prisoners being processed in. When my turn for the interview came up. The guard said that visitors are not allowed here. Told him that I am working on a book and a movie. He sneered, told me that I was sick. “If you insist on visiting us, I will make you miserable.” He had a sick sadistic grin on his face. He looked at his book. Your cell mate is a drug damaged psychopath. Will that be bad enough for you ?

My thought…. GULP !! He quickly added, that if that is not bad enough for you, I have a much worse hell you can visit. Was shown a view of Dante’s hell. Felt the emotional energy. That scared me. I said that I will settle for this one. Went through the rules of the prison. Found myself on a work detail outside with more strict rules being laid on me.

Found that almost every one there insisted on being here. Their only crime was a self imposed guilt trip. There were a lot of murderers there including many war crime criminals who insisted on being there. Was surprised by the large number of soldiers from all over the world that were there too. Saw many of the crimes they committed as they unfolded. It was rough.

Told my guide I was ready to leave this place. I am keeping this as short as possible because it was a very bad experience. Glad I went. I think the guilt trips, feelings of remorse for they did is the real crime, and not the crime it’s self. None of them had to be there. They insisted on going. There are many hells besides Max’s and Dante’s, and the one I visited.
There are also a large number of different heavens parked in the lower dimensions.

From this experience I learned that guilt trips are a super no,no. Drop them. Because heaven is always there and waiting for you no matter what.

Also learned the importance of forgiveness, have made it a personal policy to forgive by default because the wrongs you dished out, and the wrongs coming your way are all part of the learning experiences that we go through down here for our spiritual unfoldment. I can now say that I have been to hell and back LOL

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Touching Souls Super Member Offline LOVE IS ALL, SHINE YOUR LIGHT THAT OTHERS MAY SEE Posts: 1966 Metaline Falls, WA Gender:	Re: VISIT TO HELL :-) Reply #1 - Jun 22^nd, 2006 at 9:17pm Thanks for posting this here Bob. I remember reading it before. One thing I've never done is go to a hollow hell that I can remember. Don't know if I'd want to try that or not. Love, Mairlyn
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Reply #2 - Jun 23^rd, 2006 at 10:32am

Gosh Bob what an experience this must have been Shocked

wow shuddering awful places like this do exist - i suppose only because certain entities keep it in existence. im sure that negative energy was very draining. No angels or any lighter beings in attendance?

Well like you say - you've done that now and it can only make one stronger.

Thanks for your wise words Bob.

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Reply #3 - Jun 23^rd, 2006 at 11:53am

so ah, Bob, when someone says go to hell to you..it must have an entirely different meaning.. Cheesy

I'm so glad you posted this Kiss

you have a straightforward way of writing and no one can mistake your meaning and intent and the value of your experience. and it just goes to show you, we are the creators of our reality by our thoughts and deeds and yet we still have choice to punish ourselves or go forward in forgiveness of self and create our own environment. thanks for going to hell for me, as I feel like I don't need to go explore there now, Bob did it for me...lol....and you have done a lot for me over the last few years. ((((((Bob))))))))) Kiss

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Reply #4 - Jun 23^rd, 2006 at 5:54pm

Quite an amazing experience, Bob. Thanks for posting it. I think it was very accurate.

About 30 years ago one of my favorite books was titled, "Life in the World Unseen" by Antohony Boriga. He received all of the information for his book via "automatic writing" from a priest in England who had died in the early 20th century whose name was Robert Hugh Benson. Here is an excerpt from his book in the chapter titled "The Lowest Realms":

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The denizens of the realms of darkness have, by their lives on earth, condemned themselves, each and everyone, to the state in which they now find themselves. It is the inevitable law of cause and effect; as sure as night follows day upon the earth plane. Of what to avail and cry for mercy? The spirit world is a world of strict justice, a justice that cannot be tampered with, a justice which we all mete out to ourselves. Strict justice and mercy cannot go together. However wholehartedly and sincerely we may forgive the wrong that has been done to us, mercy is not given to us to dispense in the spirit world. Every bad action must be accounted for by the one who commits it. It is a personal matter which must be done alone, even as the actual event of death of the physical body must be gone through alone."
"...But the Golden opportunity of spiritual reclamation is ready and waiting. He has but to show an earnest desire to move himself one fraction of an inch towards the realms of light that are above him, and he will find a host of unkown friends who will help him towards that heritage which is his due, but which in his folly he cast aside."

It's a hard book to find but if you can find it, it's a very interesting read. There are a lot of similarities between this book and Robert Monroe's and Bruce Moen's books.

I agree with you about the guilt trip thing but if someone murders someonelse for very self centered reasons or if you willing partake in the genocide of another race the guilt that they would feel after their transition to the afterlife would be very hard to shake off.

One thing that I find unusual in your experience is the existence of an overseer or guard. Do you think he was there punishing himself also or was he helping the prisoners to work off their karma? or what? I would really like to hear your thoughts on that. Thanks.
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Reply #6 - Jun 23^rd, 2006 at 8:06pm

Im Re-writing the following sentence for clarification:

"I agree with you about the guilt trip thing but if someone murders someonelse for very self centered reasons or if (someone) willing(ly) partakes in the genocide of another race - the guilt that they would feel (for their own actions), would be very hard to shake off (in the afterlife).

I hope that's better - sorry for the typos.

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Reply #7 - Jun 26^th, 2006 at 4:01am

Thanks for the true words mediastreamer

As Maat; the weighing of the feather with the heart.

A saying from an Shinar Script:

'The Justice of God is too instantaneously comprehensive to be at all
thought of by Man, who, indeed, cannot be just because his nature
is bent to a strong line of self-advancement'.

It is not a creation of chaos, it is a creation of cause and effect and justice - purely for our own good and salvation i say. That is a good question about the guard also i wondered if there are angels there, is it a choice for these darkened entities to carry on with their own agenda and to be ignored and forgotten by lighter beings or is it the role of lighter beings to cleanse the Cosmos and bring all into love and light. A complex question that may be the cause of fractions and wars : whose right and whose wrong; ultimately is the instantaneous justice of God and His power that will prevail. As a citizen of the Cosmos, albeit an infant, i think how can i strive for love in its highest attainment when things like this exist?

Peace and Love for all

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Reply #8 - Jun 26^th, 2006 at 8:59am

" I think the guilt trips, feelings of remorse for they did is the real crime, and not the crime it’s self. From this experience I learned that guilt trips are a super no,no."

Bob-

Well, if the above is true, the terrorists shouldn't have a thing to worry about. When they drive a plane into a building, killing thousands of innocent victims, they are convinced they are carrying out the will of Allah. They fully expect a life in paradise, being rewarded withKind 72 virgins. The last thing they feel is guilt.

Whereas a person who accidentally kills someone but who is wracked with needless guilt, ends up in a miserable environment when they die.

Kind of ironic if in fact it's our perception of what we do as opposed to the reality of what we do that determines the condition of our afterlife.

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Reply #9 - Jun 26^th, 2006 at 1:09pm

deep thoughts here on this thread about perception and guilt and how it puts you in hell versus the hijacker mentality who perceives not the crime against humanity.
my thought is if a crime is committed by a sadist who derives pleasure from such an act against another with that intention is a type of vampirism and a sell out of the soul to the image of power over compassion and disapline of the animal nature.

this above scenario will enact its own justice because this world is temporary by nature. and this act will have a different effect of justice (balance) than the hijacker who perceives that god's righteousness is calling him. it's sad, but every crook, every person feels they are "right." traveling along in life one can eventually evolve with the help of higher thoughts/higher self perhaps to would you rather be right or be happy? so many seem to be experimenting here with their very own souls and some few come to an end of killing their own souls is my theory, because they had choice to do that. the further thought is we are all one broken entity. whatsoever you do unto another, you do unto yourself only, for that other is you. there is no reward for having created mayhem despite the ego will say this is so. no sooner would the hijacker receive sexual pleasure from a host of clone like ladies in the afterlife than he would see the temporary and unfullfilling nature of an eternity of empty sensations and the sound of those voices of the dead reminding him that he stole their lives. this is true guilt which causes repentance and change within time or within eternity.
if I may speak for BobMc. here as I am very close to him, he speaks of shucking off guilt in a different light. I believe he minute we come into this world we come into a world which judges us as guilty, in my case, the earliest guilt was because I had been born. there is a strange mentality for some, which regards a newborn as a parasite, uninvited. that was my guilt to work through. In my particular case I did work it through and shuck it off and so I was successful to become innocent of this crime.
I believe Bob is expressing that he has become a fearless creature; he feels now invincible he has stated many times, within his deepest spirit. that he feels like this is a statement of triumph over his physical appetites from the act of serving humanity, as he works in places where death and life happen and does retrievals. Guilt is a mask over fear. there are only 2 choices...choose love, or choose fear.
fear runs this world as does guilt. to choose love does not mean you will always be right, but it leads to peace and happiness even in the midst of chaos.
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Reply #10 - Jun 26^th, 2006 at 2:48pm

Thanks for the great feedback, and thanks for your help Alysia. You hit it right on the head as usual. You have never ceased to amaze me by your keen in depth insight on what is actually happening.

Come checkout time, we all carry a "get out of jail free" card that we can use at any time. Most of the time, we never use it because we did not know we had one. Even then, many of us that finally realize that they have one, still insist on doing it the hard way and serve their time for the crime so to speak. For those who check out serving their belief system, it may be a little different. The reward that they are expecting may or may not happen until they complete the full transition to a higher state.

Some of them will try to move on and collect that reward. We have this thing called "Life Review" after checkout time. This life review can be scary for a lot of people because you will see how your most minute thoughts affected your whole universe and the people around you. For most of them, it's a pretty scary experience. They quickly lose interest in that reward and will want to make amends for the damage they inflicted. Some of them will insist on making a beeline for Dante's hell, or the one I visited. There are many versions out there. Something for every taste so to speak. LOL

This will be an ongoing thing for us for a long time in our dives down here. We also have this thing called Karma.

You must pay it back...Hold on for just a moment, are you sure about that?

Over a period of time, I finally realized that you don't have to pay it back. Karma belongs in the worlds of duality, below the 1st grand division where opposites appear, black, white, male, female, cause and effect etc. Once you go above that, everything takes on a different perspective so to speak. This is a hard one for us to handle. O.K. I had a rough time with this one too.

What about the bad guy? In time, I finally realized that the "bad guy" might have been doing us a favor by playing that role. In some cases, the "bad guy" was only serving as a mentor for us to learn. There are situations where the bad guy is really a bad guy and stay in their/our most current concept of hell, as we perceive it at the moment. They make a dive down here, do their damage, check out for a little while and come back again. They’re still serving their purpose by providing some of our harder lessons down here. In time, some of them may wake up. There are a few that will even disappear into pure undefined energy....pfffffft !

In time, we will start getting a better handle on why we are down here in the 1st place. We will continue to make mistakes along the way. That’s OK too.

If you didn’t make mistakes , you are probably defeating your purpose for being down here in the 1st place !! In time, you will remember that you still have your “get out of jail free” card in your pocket. By the time you are ready to use it, you will probably not need it !! Love Bob

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mediastreamer wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2006 at 5:54pm:

Quite an amazing experience, Bob. Thanks for posting it. I think it was very accurate.

About 30 years ago one of my favorite books was titled, "Life in the World Unseen" by Antohony Boriga. He received all of the information for his book via "automatic writing" from a priest in England who had died in the early 20th century whose name was Robert Hugh Benson. Here is an excerpt from his book in the chapter titled "The Lowest Realms":

Quote:

The denizens of the realms of darkness have, by their lives on earth, condemned themselves, each and everyone, to the state in which they now find themselves. It is the inevitable law of cause and effect; as sure as night follows day upon the earth plane. Of what to avail and cry for mercy? The spirit world is a world of strict justice, a justice that cannot be tampered with, a justice which we all mete out to ourselves. Strict justice and mercy cannot go together. However wholehartedly and sincerely we may forgive the wrong that has been done to us, mercy is not given to us to dispense in the spirit world. Every bad action must be accounted for by the one who commits it. It is a personal matter which must be done alone, even as the actual event of death of the physical body must be gone through alone."
"...But the Golden opportunity of spiritual reclamation is ready and waiting. He has but to show an earnest desire to move himself one fraction of an inch towards the realms of light that are above him, and he will find a host of unkown friends who will help him towards that heritage which is his due, but which in his folly he cast aside."

It's a hard book to find but if you can find it, it's a very interesting read. There are a lot of similarities between this book and Robert Monroe's and Bruce Moen's books.

I agree with you about the guilt trip thing but if someone murders someonelse for very self centered reasons or if you willing partake in the genocide of another race the guilt that they would feel after their transition to the afterlife would be very hard to shake off.

One thing that I find unusual in your experience is the existence of an overseer or guard. Do you think he was there punishing himself also or was he helping the prisoners to work off their karma? or what? I would really like to hear your thoughts on that. Thanks.
Rick

Hi Rick,
The guard who was screening the prisoners was an advanced soul. They work at all levels. It takes a special type of person to handle a job like that. Many of those "guard's " were former prisoners who are watching and waiting for some of their prisoners to wake up. When that happens, they will be the very first person who will help you use your get out of Jail Free Card ! In many ways, I guess you could call it a retreival of sorts. Bob

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Reply #13 - Jun 26^th, 2006 at 10:19pm

Thanks Bob.

This is all very enlightening stuff. Especially when thinking about our current national/world crises. The terrorists think the west is evil and is going to hell and the western world thinks the terrorists are evil and going to hell. Who's right? The way I see it ( and I'm sure Bob would agree), we're all stuck in hell until we learn to forgive. This appears to be such a difficult pill to swallow for both sides.

During the Vietnam crises a friend of mine had a dream. In the dream she saw God as a parent on the battlefield weeping over a dead American soldier. He was sobbing as if he had lost a son. Then a shot rang out on the other side of the battlefield and a Viet Cong soldier went down. He was dead. God ran over to the Viet Cong soldier and began to weep over him in the exact same manner.

Kind of puts an interesting perspective on things doesn't it?

Forgiveness seems to be the only way out.

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Touching Souls Super Member Offline LOVE IS ALL, SHINE YOUR LIGHT THAT OTHERS MAY SEE Posts: 1966 Metaline Falls, WA Gender:	Re: VISIT TO HELL :-) Reply #14 - Jun 26^th, 2006 at 10:28pm What a beautiful dream your friend had. Forgiveness and Love. Love, Mairlyn
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