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Upon Death and the Creator
Jun 8th, 2006 at 10:32pm
 
First question, how can I prevent not needing the aid of a helper/guide in the afterlife? I don't want to become lost like some, waiting in the afterlife for an eternity. Of course, I realize the best way is probably to explore the afterlife like those on this forum, but I am not that experienced yet and have only just begun learning.

Second, have any you all have talked to in the afterlife, or in direct experience yourself, encountered the "creator"? That is, "God"?

-Sven
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Reply #1 - Jun 9th, 2006 at 1:13am
 
Hola sven_und_jen, with regards to your question about preventing not needing a helper/guide in the afterlife... I believe that it is reasonable to say that our perception of what full immersion within these afterlife realms truly entails is somewhat skewed by our immediate perceptions as physical human beings pertaining to our initial "5" senses. One needs to expand their mind and come to accept the plausibility of a vast expanse of unimaginative beauty and functionability within the afterlife realms. Suffice it to say, needing assistance or help while transitioning is not something to be looked down upon, but something to be embraced in all of its splendor. Could you imagine being born into this world and not having parents there to help guide and raise you... The same holds true for being born/transformed into the afterlife. As physically incarnated beings we are just learning to crawl with respect to our true spiritual nature. It's the guides/helpers/angels that are there to help us along, holding our hands if we need, so that we can walk and eventually run along side them. Guides/angels/helpers are an essential part of our spiritual growth. Being helped by them is not something to be ashamed of/looked down upon. It just is...

PUL,
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P.S. With regards to your second question about any of us having direct experience/encounters with the creator/"God"... I suggest checking out the following website for some direct experiences pertaining to your question: 

www.nderf.org
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Reply #2 - Jun 9th, 2006 at 3:05am
 
Here is a partial story of one man's experience that I pulled from the www.nderf.org site:

Estaban FR wrote:

"I had gone up to Madrid on work-related business and there, in my hotel, I started feeling ill.  I had never been sick (expect for the classic flu and colds) but I knew from the first moment that my heart wasn't working right.  Pressure in my chest and rapid pulse.  I took an aspirin and felt better, but I decided to go to a specialist as soon as possible when I would be home the next day...  But when I returned to my office in Granada, at about noon, I started feeling ill again.  They took me to the emergency room and hospitalized me right away because they diagnosed me as being on the verge of a heart attack.  Because of the apparent seriousness they took me to the ICU at the Riz de Alda hospital and it was around 6 in the evening when neither the Nitro drip nor anything else helped me.  It wasn't an intense pain, it was acute distress and my heart was firing in increasingly rapid bursts.  I remember having to shift around in the bed to get comfortable...but I immediately realized that the time they had warned me about had arrived and the heart attack was happening.  When I realized I was going to die, those first moments were painful thinking about the grief my family would experience at such an untimely end.  But I am a man of faith and I began thinking that the serious moment of death had arrived and I centered my thoughts on my inner self.  I was afraid of the unknown because although, as I said, I am a man of faith, faith is not certain and there is always a degree of worry about what is going to happen after this life.  At a time of intimacy with God, something that helped me at that moment, I noticed that the heart attack had arrived and my heart stopped...and I wasn't even aware when this happened as I fell back on the bed and my back hit the mattress.

At that precise moment, at an instant so brief it can't be measured, I disconnected from my body and was overflowed with a sense of fulfillment  and weightlessness.  I clearly understood that I had died and that I was free from all  bother and heaviness, and I found myself alive and feeling wonderful with a sense of peace and incredible well being.  I was in a place of calm where I felt happy and euphoric to find that, yes, there is another life where death is no more.  When images of my wife and children came to me, I wasn't bothered by them, neither did I feel sorrow nor anything...because if what awaits them is this eternal wonder, of what importance is pain and suffering in this life if afterwards there is only peace and well being?  Such earthly problems and joys are seen as very insignificant from that realm.  There is nothing to disturb the peace, and one feels love for all beings since there is no possibility of any rancor.  It's a perfect state.  So there I was, happy and awaiting events knowing that someone would come to get me to enter into this eternal life, when I felt that I was returning to connect with my body and I began feeling the illness I had forgotten about.  The first thing I heard was a woman's voice with a Valencian accent saying, "He's coming back, he's coming back!"

"I know I'm coming back," I said to myself, and felt both grief and courage on returning here once again.  It was clear that I had returned!  If I left with much pain, I returned to my body with much more anguish.  I didn't want to return, and I was filled with sorrow for having left that marvelous state where I had been immensely happy!

When I regained the ability to see with my eyes, I observed that I was surrounded by doctors and machines, among them the defibrillation paddles used to bring people back to life.  But I didn't feel anything.  I returned to my body through the paraphernalia of instruments and medical personnel surrounding me.  And here I am describing this, "my great experience," that happened 11 years ago although it seems like I am reliving it anew it is so fresh.

I wrote a little book about this experience but it won't fit in the space allotted here, although I have no problem sending it to supplement my story since my only objective is to make known what there is in the next life before leaving this one.

Was the kind of experience difficult to express in words?          No    

At the time of this experience, was there an associated life threatening event?          Yes    They put me in the ICU because they suspected a heart attack.

At what time during the experience were you at your highest level of consciousness and alertness?  During the whole time I felt lucid and awake like I have never felt here.

How did your highest level of consciousness and alertness during the experience compare to your normal every day consciousness and alertness?          More consciousness and alertness than normal

If your highest level of consciousness and alertness during the experience was different from your normal every day consciousness and alertness, please explain:        I knew what was happening to me at every moment and I understood my condition with absolute clarity.  I awaited events that were going to happen next.

Did your vision differ in any way from your normal, everyday vision (in any aspect, such as clarity, field of vision, colors, brightness, depth perception degree of solidness/transparency of objects, etc.)?          Yes    I waited completely at peace to see something concrete since I had heard about the "tunnel."  But as a professor of physics (I'm a theoretical physicist) what surprised me most of all was having the sensation of not being connected either to space or time.

Did your hearing differ in any way from your normal, everyday hearing (in any aspect, such as clarity, ability to recognize source of sound, pitch, loudness, etc.)?
         Yes    As I said, my senses were of no use to me...  It's like floating outside time-space.  It's a new and strange situation.

Did you experience a separation of your consciousness from your body?          Yes

What emotions did you feel during the experience?          Incredible peace and well being, moved by immeasurable love for everything and everybody, bound by enormous joy and confirming the existence of another life.  It is now knowledge where before it was only faith.  It is by far the most powerful experience of my life.  I now have no fear of death."
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Reply #3 - Jun 9th, 2006 at 3:25am
 
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First question, how can I prevent not needing the aid of a helper/guide in the afterlife?-Sven



Smiley why is this mistrust?

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Reply #4 - Jun 9th, 2006 at 4:54pm
 
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Smiley why is this mistrust?




Not mistrust.. I just didn't want to spend thousands of years stuck like some people I have read about in retrieval accounts.

Excellent insight, Cosmic_Ambitions
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Reply #5 - Jun 9th, 2006 at 5:36pm
 
Live a good life, grow in love, and look for the light and/or helpers after you die.

I don't believe that the subject of retrievels should be a basis for concluding that just about everybody gets stuck.
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Reply #6 - Jun 9th, 2006 at 8:35pm
 
Yeah,
         I think the Rev's right; most people don't get stuck. Nothing wrong with having friends by your side though. Just to be there with you, not to 'save' you or anything. So my advice is... look for friends immediately after you realise you've transitioned. Death can sometimes be stressful and having friends with you can help it be friendly.

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Reply #7 - Jun 10th, 2006 at 6:59pm
 
Does anyone know how the transition usually is for death in the sleep?

It seems it might be confusing, especially if one were just dreaming.
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Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2006 at 10:38pm
 
Sven,

You are never alone and will never be alone.  There is no separation and you can never be lost.
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Reply #9 - Jun 10th, 2006 at 11:40pm
 
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Does anyone know how the transition usually is for death in the sleep?

It seems it might be confusing, especially if one were just dreaming.


Your question is an important one and needs to be acknowledged. I have thought about this for years, not just dying while asleep but sudden death too... like crossing the street and bam! hit by a car... gone in a sudden moment with no warning. I think there is potential for confusion in such situations. Will I know fairly quickly that I am dead if I die in my sleep or die without warning? It might take me a while to realise where I am, what my new situation is. That's why I ask for help now, while I am alive, that when I transition into our afterlife, friends will be there to gently remind me where I am, that they tell me I have left the physical for the last time. And those friends still in the physical, I've asked that they offer prayers to warmly let me know I have made the final transition from Here to There.

          Mactek is right. We are never alone, we can never be ultimately lost. But we can be temporarily confused and not know where we are. The highest Tibetan Lamas ask for prayers of clarity and help when they transition. They recognise that sudden death or passing in sleep can be very confusing.  A reminder from friends There and friends Here can be helpful.

         I wish to have at least a minute warning before death. If not, I've asked friends There to help me remember where I am. They'll be there anyway. You'll be greeted by your own close ones There  too Sven.  Transitioning in sleep or suddenly isn't something to fear. Just to realise it's o.k. to be receptive to help, to have friends gently bring us out of confusion. That's a lot different than being trapped in a belief system that might limit your full growth as a Being.

         I think your question is an excellent one. I'd be  very interested in other viewpoints on this. Perhaps Bruce will add his viewpoint when he gets back.

      Best to you all and much love,

                                  Tim F.


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Reply #10 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 7:56am
 
I think Tim speaks to this subject beautifully and I agree with all he has said.

I was with my father when he transitioned.  He did not want to die and was terribly afraid to die.  Just before he let go of his body I heard a voice calling his name.  Someone had come to him to help him with this transition.

I also have been able to see the human energy field that surrounds and interpenetrates our bodies for many years now.  Our energy field is made up of interpenetrating layers that come from the spiritual and penetrate downward and into the body.  When my father let go of his body I saw the lower layers of his energy field dissolve.  All that remained were the higher layers.  In only a few seconds these, too, disappeared from my view.  I suspect these disappeared because from my human consciousness of perception I was unable to view the higher frequency of vibration that occurred after the transition.

Time and time again I have seen this type of thing occur.  We all have a strong belief in our body being something that is separate from our higher spiritual self.  In truth, we are not separated from the higher aspects of our being.

Much love and many blessings to you as you enter your own journey of exploration.

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Reply #11 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 6:40pm
 
Hi,
let's assume there are states where persons continue to live a life in the physical, in a thought-form-environment or as an earthbound spirit. When those people notice oddities, or they just ask for one to help them to move elsewhere, change their environment, then it's like an opening where helpers can get through. So if you try it and nothing happens, you probably are still in the physical. It's not a bad idea to try this from time to time is it?

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